'Herman Wi rth et la préhistori e préindoe uropéenne'

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  • G. van der Heide
    http://marceemans.wordpress.com/2013/12/11/herman-wirth-et-la-prehistorie-preindoeuropeenne/ P.s. On the topic of Thet Oera Linda Bok
    Message 1 of 7 , Dec 11, 2013
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    • tlefranc10
      It seems that Frans J Los – whose interesting book on the Franks was discussed in this forum – thought the “Oera Linda” to be more or less authentic
      Message 2 of 7 , Dec 19, 2013
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        It seems that Frans J Los – whose interesting book on the Franks was discussed in this forum – thought the “Oera Linda” to be more or less authentic provided that about a thousand years be subtracted to the age of the book (Die Ura Linda Handschriften als Geschichtsquelle, 1972). Perhaps this judgement was influenced by nationalistic beliefs.

         

        As for me, I would say this book – at least the way it has been presented to the general public – is a forgery. From a summary I read, it reeks of that spirit which is so peculiar to the Judeo-Christian mind. I would say that it is at best a late “middle ages” or a “Renaissance” writing. Was that “Beeden” copied on the “Venerable Bede”? Or was it the contrary?

         

        And the official history of the book is hardly plausible: no book can last so long, not even the “Bible” whose real history is far from being ascertained (http://www.radikalkritik.de/Johnson_True%20History.pdf).  

      • G. van der Heide
        F.J. Los believed parts of the manuscripts to be authentic. But we still have to read the German text - his most extensive treatment of the subject - you refer
        Message 3 of 7 , Dec 22, 2013
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          F.J. Los believed parts of the manuscripts to be authentic.


          But we still have to read the German text - his most extensive treatment of the subject - you refer to.


          To make it easier for some, there's a French article in which he also sums up his position:

          Los, Frans J., Hypothese. L'affaire des manuscrits "Oera Linda". In: Nouvelle école. Mélanges. Numéro 24. Hiver 1973-74.



          From: tlefranc10@...
          To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:23:16 -0800
          Subject: [evola_as_he_is] RE: 'Herman Wi rth et la préhistori e préindoe uropéenne'

           

          It seems that Frans J Los – whose interesting book on the Franks was discussed in this forum – thought the “Oera Linda” to be more or less authentic provided that about a thousand years be subtracted to the age of the book (Die Ura Linda Handschriften als Geschichtsquelle, 1972). Perhaps this judgement was influenced by nationalistic beliefs.

           

          As for me, I would say this book – at least the way it has been presented to the general public – is a forgery. From a summary I read, it reeks of that spirit which is so peculiar to the Judeo-Christian mind. I would say that it is at best a late “middle ages” or a “Renaissance” writing. Was that “Beeden” copied on the “Venerable Bede”? Or was it the contrary?

           

          And the official history of the book is hardly plausible: no book can last so long, not even the “Bible” whose real history is far from being ascertained (http://www.radikalkritik.de/Johnson_True%20History.pdf).  


        • rouesolaire
          This book is undoubtedly a forgery. Why is-it so easy to be so assertive? Simply because this book is an apology of matriarchy (according to this book, the
          Message 4 of 7 , Dec 23, 2013
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            This book is undoubtedly a forgery. Why is-it so easy to be so assertive? Simply because this book is an apology of matriarchy (according to this book, the White Race has been created by the Goddess Frya and the country is ruled by a folk-mother who has authority on maidens that she chooses and on a king, king which is himself democratically (re-)elected, like the commander and the "state" officials.) , democracy, equality and "liberty"/"freedom" (is this concept not supposed to be originally Asian, unknown to the peoples belonging to the Nordic-Aryan stock?) written in a biblical style (it is not only close to the Bible in the form [too, like the Code of Hammurabi, it is a true treaty of casuistry] but also often in the substance) and I think nobody would disagree if I say that such a thing could difficultly come from a people belonging to the Nordic-Aryan stock. It is probable that this is one of the numerous forgeries written during Renaissance by another mentally sick humanist. Anyway, such a book is blessed bread for occultists, neo-pagans, matriarchists and the like.

            There is also this pantheistic supreme deity named "Wr-alda", pantheism being from Asian origin.

            Just look at that:

            "All Frya's Children are equal, wherefore they must all have equal rights on sea and land, and in all that Wr-alda has given. "

             

            "All Frya's sons have equal rights, and every stalwart youth may offer himself as a navigator to the alderman, who may not refuse him as long as there is any vacancy. "

             

            "If, therefore, it is desired to make laws and regulations which shall be permanent, they must be equal for all men."

             

            "When we had been settled there a short time, and they discovered that we had no slaves, they were very much astonished; and when I explained to them that we had laws which made everybody equal, they wished to have the same"

             

            "No man is able to make everybody equally rich and happy, but it is the duty of all men to make each other as equally rich and as happy as possible."

             

            "5. When he has been seven years a voter he then may have a vote for the commander or king, and may be himself elected.

            6. Every year he must be re-elected.

            7. Except the king, all other officials are re-eligible who act according to Frya's counsels.

            8. No king may be in office more than three years, in order that the office may not be permanent."

             

            "Every man may seek the wife of his choice, and every woman may bestow her hand on him whom she loves."

             

            etc...

            http://cruisenews.net/atlantis/oeralinda.html

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          • G. van der Heide
            As far as the contents of the text are concerned: many of this has been discussed by A. Baeumler and co. in the 1930 s. The position taken by the blog who s
            Message 5 of 7 , Dec 24, 2013
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              As far as the contents of the text are concerned: many of this has been discussed by A. Baeumler and co. in the 1930's. The position taken by the blog who's video's I included in the previous message turns out to be fanciful, it fully believes in the authenticity of the book. It may be right in pointing out the 'academic prejudice' founded in the 2004 thesis of the Dutch scholar G. Jensma that views the nineteenth-century poet and preacher (!) Francois Haverschmidt as the author. Others experts don't necessarily agree and there's no definitive proof for this claim.


              From: rouesolaire@...
              To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 06:06:15 -0800
              Subject: [evola_as_he_is] RE: [evola _as_he_is] RE: Herma n Wirth et la préhis torie préi ndoeuropée nne

               



              This book is undoubtedly a forgery. Why is-it so easy to be so assertive? Simply because this book is an apology of matriarchy (according to this book, the White Race has been created by the Goddess Frya and the country is ruled by a folk-mother who has authority on maidens that she chooses and on a king, king which is himself democratically (re-)elected, like the commander and the "state" officials.) , democracy, equality and "liberty"/"freedom" (is this concept not supposed to be originally Asian, unknown to the peoples belonging to the Nordic-Aryan stock?) written in a biblical style (it is not only close to the Bible in the form [too, like the Code of Hammurabi, it is a true treaty of casuistry] but also often in the substance) and I think nobody would disagree if I say that such a thing could difficultly come from a people belonging to the Nordic-Aryan stock. It is probable that this is one of the numerous forgeries written during Renaissance by another mentally sick humanist. Anyway, such a book is blessed bread for occultists, neo-pagans, matriarchists and the like.

              There is also this pantheistic supreme deity named "Wr-alda", pantheism being from Asian origin.

              Just look at that:

              "All Frya's Children are equal, wherefore they must all have equal rights on sea and land, and in all that Wr-alda has given. "

               

              "All Frya's sons have equal rights, and every stalwart youth may offer himself as a navigator to the alderman, who may not refuse him as long as there is any vacancy. "

               

              "If, therefore, it is desired to make laws and regulations which shall be permanent, they must be equal for all men."

               

              "When we had been settled there a short time, and they discovered that we had no slaves, they were very much astonished; and when I explained to them that we had laws which made everybody equal, they wished to have the same"

               

              "No man is able to make everybody equally rich and happy, but it is the duty of all men to make each other as equally rich and as happy as possible."

               

              "5. When he has been seven years a voter he then may have a vote for the commander or king, and may be himself elected.

              6. Every year he must be re-elected.

              7. Except the king, all other officials are re-eligible who act according to Frya's counsels.

              8. No king may be in office more than three years, in order that the office may not be permanent."

               

              "Every man may seek the wife of his choice, and every woman may bestow her hand on him whom she loves."

               

              etc...

              http://cruisenews.net/atlantis/oeralinda.html


            • evola_as_he_is
              There might be another possibility: that it was the ‘Bible’ of some alien people with a matriarchal structure that supplanted partially the ancient Nordic
              Message 6 of 7 , Dec 24, 2013
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                There might be another possibility: that it was the ‘Bible’ of some alien people with a matriarchal structure that supplanted partially the ancient Nordic population of Scandinavia at some point in history. After all, there is nothing in it that modern Swedish, which are far from forming a blue-eyed, blond-haired dolichocephalic people, would deny.

              • tlefranc10
                The question of the christianization of Europe remains mysterious. It was carried out by the sword and by subterfuge – a strategy which is now acknowledged
                Message 7 of 7 , Dec 26, 2013
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                  The question of the christianization of Europe remains mysterious. It was carried out by the sword and by subterfuge – a strategy which is now acknowledged by most, including modern historiographers.

                   

                  However, there are, in my opinion, two hypotheses which deliberately have not been given attention sufficiently.

                  The first is that coercive methods – massacres, ethnic cleansing, forced displacement of populations, etc. – against the “heathens” – especially the aristocracy – may have been used to a much greater extent than what is supposed. The story of Charlemagne reducing and executing the Saxons under Widukind is well known and perhaps bears an allegorical connotation rather than an historical one. In short, there may have been a racial war waged against those having a worldview opposite of that held by christianity. Mixing would also have taken place. Such a hypothesis may explain the “denordification” of Europe, a fact which has been acknowledged by all the most serious race researchers.

                  The second is closely linked to the first. Those who christianized Europe may have been much more numerous than a few “missionaries” assisted from time to time by armed powers, as official historiography says. For it is very difficult to conceive that a whole continent may have had its entire “Aryan” worldview changed in a matter of a few centuries if considerable forces had not been behind it. There may have been a massive influx from North Africa and the Orient of alien elements who brought with them their worldview, which would later be called “christianity”, and successfully imposed it upon the defeated natives. In this respect, the whole story of the “Moorish” conquest as well of the “Crusades”, among other things, should be re-examined following a revisionist perspective and taking into account that much of our History has been written in the cloisters, often a long time after the events depicted happened.

                   

                  It is very difficult to discover reliable information on both of these possible events.  


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                  There might be another possibility: that it was the ‘Bible’ of some alien people with a matriarchal structure that supplanted partially the ancient Nordic population of Scandinavia at some point in history. After all, there is nothing in it that modern Swedish, which are far from forming a blue-eyed, blond-haired dolichocephalic people, would deny.

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