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I have also come to the conclusion that many "European" rulers of the last few
centuries had more or less non-European blood. On this, I have found of
particular interest the following book: "L'hérédité des stigmates de
dégénérescence et les familles souveraines"
(http://archive.org/details/lhrditdesstigma00boucgoog) by Dr Victor Galippe. Its
main purpose is to demonstrate – successfully – that most members of the
European royal families from the fourteenth century onwards had grave
degenerative physical and mental traits. However, any person with some knowledge
on races will notice, through the numerous portraits – most of them being
complaisant, arranged portraits, it should be remembered – reproduced in the
book, the various non-European features the members of the royal families had.

While race changes in old times (Antiquity and before) have been studied by a
few researchers and various hypotheses have been proposed, there are big
uncertainties on race changes in more recent times, such as in the middle ages,
the period during which most "recentists" claim that the falsification of
history was started.

In an essay entitled "Evolution anthropologique de la population de la France"
(http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6815z.image.f1.langFR), George de Lapouge
said that he detected a great race change during the middle ages in France but
he was unable to give an explanation for it: "Le Moyen-Age a été une époque très
belliqueuse: cependant le grand accroissement de la richesse et de la population
jusqu'à la veille de la guerre de Cent ans montre que les pertes étaient
promptement et amplement réparées. Certes l'état des choses n'était pas parfait,
mais jamais, même sous la paix romaine, le pays n'avait connu une pareille
prospérité et de si rapides progrès. L'émigration était faible, l'immigration
purement individuelle et presque négligeable. L'institution du servage limitait
beaucoup les déplacements intérieurs de population. Il ne semble pas y avoir
jamais eu un temps où la population ait été plus stable. C'est cependant à cette
époque que commence la plus remarquable transformation que l'on connaisse.
L'élément brachycéphale qui, pour des raisons inconnues, commence à se
multiplier dans des proportions si grandes, est notre Alpinus contemporain."


--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "Evola" <evola_as_he_is@...> wrote:
>
> Mention was actually made of Recentism in passing in message 1329 in relation
to the Protocols controversy, which, at that time, did not arouse any interest.
>
> We are thus grateful to you for presenting such a topic, such a crucial and,
as you point out, vast topic - which is closely linked to the concept of parody,
and which we never loose sight of when dealing with facts and events universally
held to be historical - in so concise, so global a manner, to those who are
completely unfamiliar with it.
>
> We fully agree with your assessment of both Recentism as a historical view as
such and of the possible agenda of some of its main contemporary proponents,
such as Fomenko. Even as far as its pioneer is concerned, it is not quite clear
on what grounds he claimed that the ultimate goal of that "impious cabal" was to
falsify and "utterly ruin" the Christian religion, insofar as even proven
historical forgeries, which were concocted by ecclesiastics, contributed largely
to advance the vested interests and the power and control of this religion over
the souls and hearts and savings.
>
> Getting back to contemporary Recentists, to cite but one of these, the
ulterior motives behind http://revisedhistory.org/ are plain enough. However,
the fact remains that, whether or not Dante's work is a late forgery, as is
claimed and rather convincingly proved at http://revisedhistory.org/dante.htm,
Dante's 'Gelasian' views cannot be taken as a point of reference by the racial
bearers of the European tradition. Likewise, so-called 'Black Suprematists (see,
for example,
http://emperornatie.blogspot.fr/2011/07/black-freising-koning-and-british.html)
are not aware of the extent to which their findings prove the point of present
consistent White racists.
>
> We merely add for now that historical forgeries, which are widespread in
fields such archaeology, too, were greatly facilitated by the advent of the
printed book and by the superstitious belief in the intrinsic truth of the
written word that was introduced precisely by the religion(s) of the Book. As
early as the early 1900's, it did not escape the notice of some non romantic
German scholars that concepts universally assumed to be intrinsically Nordic
such as the ragnarök's and the valhalla's reek of Judeo-Christian apocalyptic
literature.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "tlefranc10" <tlefranc10@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > First of all, I would like to say that I have read nearly all the postings
on this list and many were very interesting. Thanks to those who have written
them.
> >
> > I would like to address a topic which has not been discussed so far on this
list I believe, that of the falsification of ancient history (antiquity, middle
ages and renaissance). It is directly related to Evola in so far his writings
are largely based on various historical accounts and I do not think he ever
discussed the topic of systematic falsification of ancient history. I believe it
may be strongly related to the struggle between the ghibelline faction and the
guelph faction, as you will see as you read my post.
> >
> > It seems that the topic of the falsification of ancient history has become
more « mainstream » over the last few decades as several authors have started
investigating and publishing articles and books. It should be noted that there
is not one school of thought, though. However, as early as the seventeeth
century there were people who claimed that history had been largely falsified.
> >
> > For example, Isaac Newton (1642-1727) wrote a lot about it, which was
published against his will in a book in French called « Abrégé de la chronologie
» (1725), published in its full version in 1729 (both are available online in
google books). Basing himself on astronomical calculations and the dates of the
Greek olympiads, Newton's theory is that about 300 years had to be removed from
the chronology. He then rewrote and reinterpreted each event of the antiquity.
> >
> > Jean Hardouin (1646-1729), a French Jesuit opposed Newton's theory but
agreed that history had been largely falsified. A man of considerable learning,
Hardouin was librarian at the Collège de Paris. He also worked during 5 years on
publishing an excellent edition of Pliny's Natural History, which is still
regarded today as the reference edition. He also published an edition of the
Catholic councils. It is said that his numerous and lengthy notes in these works
contain his revisionist ideas.
> >
> > Hardouin said that he started scenting fraud in Augustine and his
contemporaries in August 1690 and that he discovered the whole extent of the
fraud only in May 1692 as he was writing down long extracts from ancient
authors. According to him, a gang of forgers (the « impious cabal » as he calls
them) started writing most of Christian patristic literature as well as most
Greek and Roman books in the thirteenth century. This « impious design », whose
utlimate goal was to falsify and « utterly ruin » the Christian religion, was
carried out until around the end of the fifteenth century. The first leader of
the forgers was Frederick II of Hohenstaufen (who was nicknamed « Severus
Archontius ») and Benedictines were heavily involved in the forgery, still
according to him. Basing himself on his examination of old coins, Hardouin
argued that the Church did not any temporal power before the tenth century. He
also argued that pretty much the whole history, as told by Christian sources, of
the late and decadent Roman empire was an invention.
> >
> > Hardouin was ridiculed and persecuted by the temporal power, the Church and
the various religious orders including the Jesuits. Most said that he was a
madman. His books were banned and he had to find a publisher in Holland. His «
Prolegomena to the censorship of ancient authors » were published in the end of
his life. A short book of around 180 pages, it sums up his whole theory and
contains insightful remarks. I have read it in English and I have translated it
into French. I do not know yet if I will simply put it online or publish it. In
any case, I will be glad to provide further information on it. A lengthy
biography in French written by a fellow Jesuit, Father Marteret, can be found in
« Eloges de quelques auteurs françois » (1742) (Available on gallica.fr).
Hardouin wrote also on Dante and said that his book « The Divine Comedy » could
not have been written in the fourteenth century (available on
http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Doutes_propos%C3%A9s_sur_l_age_du_Dante_pa\
r.html?id=shtLAAAAcAAJ
). An exhaustive bibliography can be found in
Sommervogel's book, « Bibliothèque des écrivains de la Compagne de Jésus »
(available on google books). Academic papers were recently written by scholar
Anthony Grafton on Hardouin, who also wrote an interesting book on forgery
called « Forgers and critics creativity duplicity in Western scholarship ».
Interesting documents on Hardouin can be found on www.persee.fr also. Finally, I
know that Hardouin disseminated his revisionist ideas in all his works even if
they were out of topic. Unfortunately, most of his works are in Latin, including
his big book on chronology, and I cannot read them. Other priests (the
Benedictine Jean Mabillon and his excellent book on diplomatics, the Fathers
Henschen, Paperbroch, etc.) wrote also in Latin and participated in the
controversy. From what I understand they went not as far as Hardouin but
acknowledged that many documents had been falsified. As far as I know, nobody
wrote a detailed study of this controversy which lasted for years. More
information on Hardouin here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Hardouin
> >
> > It was English historian Edwin Johnson (1842-1901) who translated Hardouin's
prolegomena into English. Johnson wrote a lot also on the falsification of
history. I have read his books and according to him the history of Christianity
as we know it is entirely made up. He claimed that Christianity sprung up in
Italy and that the Bible texts of the New Testament were written first in Latin.
He also claimed that English history was entirely fictional (see his book « The
Rise of English Culture »). His books can be found online :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Johnson_(historian). Forster Fitzgerald
Arbuthnot, an English orientalist
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forster_Fitzgerald_Arbuthnot), who was a a friend
of Johnson, published in 1900 a book on English chronology in the same vein as
Johnson's. It is called « Mysteries of chronology » and can be downloaded online
(http://archive.org/details/mysteriesofchron00arbuiala).
> >
> > Wilhelm Kammeier (1889-1959) was a German law official who wrote several
books including « Die Fälschung der deutschen Geschichte », « Neue Beweise für
die Fälschung der deutschen Geschichte », « Die Warheit über die Geschichte des
Spätmittelalters » and « Die Fälschung der Geschichte des Urchistentums ». The
first book can be found online but I could not read it because I do not speak
German. It would be great if someone untertook the translation of this book.
Kammeier's theory is that the Church launched and coordinated a vast and
systematic rewriting of world history in the late middle ages. According to him,
documents related to the ancient Germanic peoples were destroyed and/or
corrupted by the Church. That is why little is known on ancient Germanic peoples
today. Germanic peoples, "barbarians", were given a lesser role in history,
contrary to Rome, which was given the limelight. I have read, in Fomenko's books
I believe, that it was only in national-socialist Germany, in 1934, that he
managed to have his books published. He was a soldier in the war and became a
teacher in East Germany, after 1945. He thought his findings would be of
interest to the East German communist authorities but to no avail, interestingly
(because his findings undermined the Catholic Church and communists did not like
the Catholic Church to say the least). He was actually persecuted and died in
1959 in misery, ill and with little to eat.
> >
> > Many more authors, more or less contemporary, have written on the
falsification of ancient history. Here is a list :
http://www.ilya.it/chrono/pages/framautorfr.htm
> > Several works from these authors can be accessed online, so I suggest that
you look for their works on the internet. The whole website should be browsed
as it contains interesting articles.
> >
> > Hermann Detering, a contemporary German pastor who is not mentioned on the
website given above, maintains a site which contains many resources in several
languages : http://www.radikalkritik.de/
> > As far as I know, he concentrates his studies on early christianism and has
read Johnson's books.
> >
> > François de Sarre, a French zoologist, also has a website :
http://initial.bipedalism.pagesperso-orange.fr/. He has written a very
interesting book called « Où est donc passé le Moyen-Âge ? » in which he
develops his own theory using the findings of other researchers. Also of
interest, Pierre Dortiguier, a French professor of philosophy, has given a
conference this month on the falsification of ancient history :
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqw2aa_pierre-dortiguier-le-recentisme_news?sta\
rt=1

> >
> > A personal note on Anatoly Fomenko, perhaps the most « extremist »
theoretician of the falsification of ancient history. I think that he may have
interesting thoughts but his theory is too far-fetched and eccentric. Also, it
is important to understand that authors may be partial. For example, they may be
influenced by nationalist thought and seek to favour their country when doing
their critique of history.
> >
> > Overall, I think it is impossible to have definite certainties on the matter
given how vast and complicated it is. However, I have become convinced that
ancient history has been falsified, but it is difficult to ascertain to what
extent, and that the Catholic Church was involved in the falsification. I am
also sure that history needs to be shortened and that the Catholic Church is not
as old as it is commonly regarded.
> >
> > More generally, I find it extremely pretentious of historians to assign very
precise dates to old events given the actual intricacy of chronology and the
extent of falsified documents.
> >
> > It is important to keep in mind that saying that a text may be falsified
does not eliminate its potential metaphysical value. To be more specific,
Guénon, Evola and others recognized metaphysical contents in certain ancient
texts. It is doubtful that these texts may have been composed by simple forgers.
However, they may come from a different time period to what is generally
assumed, among other things.
> >
>




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Hello, First of all, I would like to say that I have read nearly all the postings on this list and many were very interesting. Thanks to those who have written...
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You come to a highly interesting point. Though I've never read anything with relation to this topic, I share your feeling about the falsification of the...
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The mentioned books of W. Kammeier are available online at http://reichsarchiv.com/Buecher/01_Bis_1945/01_Bis_1945.php Also, in English there's the work of...
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"A school teacher working in Hannover, Kammeier researched since 1923 the German History. In his first book, written in 1926 but only published in 1935, he...
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We fully agree with tlefranc10, with whom we have exchanged a few messages off forum, in considering Fomenko's views as "extremist" on the following grounds : ...
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Hello, I do not know any works which deal specifically with falsifications of pre-history. However, writings which constitute effective refutations of the...
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Many noteworthy messages with links to crucial works have been sent and gladly posted on evola_as_he_is for two weeks or so, noteworthy messages and crucial...
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Similar explorations on Jewry in the ancient world. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvG39ibZEWk&feature=relmfu ...
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I have also come to the conclusion that many "European" rulers of the last few centuries had more or less non-European blood. On this, I have found of...
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Here is another book worth reading: Dissertation sur le culte des saints inconnus (Dissertation on the cult of unknown saints)...
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