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Two 'mistakes' of National-Bolshevism (a third one)



Without going so far, it is true that any Vedic treatise on religious
law and social duties was primarily concerned with the regulation of
the two highest castes, the brâhmanas and the kshatriyas.

In 'Avvento del "Quinto Stato"?'? ('The coming of the 'Fifth
Estate'?'), Evola, after having recalled that the development shown
by history is that of an involution of the type of civilisation and
of prevailing interests from one to the other of the planes which
defined the functional classes of traditional society, wonders
whether that process of involution stops at the 'Fourth Estate',
whether there may be symptoms of the emergence of a 'Fifth Estate',
on the basis of a book published in the Interwar Years by H. Berl,
called, precisely, 'Die Heraufkunft des fünften Standes', in which
American gangsterism and some 'demonic' aspects of Bolshevism are
considered as symptoms of the emergence of that 'Fifth Estate'.

According to Evola, that 'Fifth Estate' does not have any equivalent
in traditional hierarchy ; it can only be connected with a sort of
substratum, with the shapeless, wild, and almost subhuman element
which was checked in traditional orders, in which it was maintained
in the latent state". That ties up with a footnote of 'Sintesi di
dottrina della razza' about Lothrop Stoddard's 'The Revolt against
Civilisation', in which the revolutionary movements of modern times
are interpreted from a racial standpoint and the emphasis is laid on
the fact that their biological substratum was a "sub-humanity".

Is it be tantamount to identifying the representatives of the 'Fifth
Estate' with the pariahs of Vedic society and those who had "neither
hearth nor home" in ancient Rome?



--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "vandermok" <vandermok@l...>
wrote:
>
> From the viewpoint of the superior castes, probably the differences
between the third and the fourth ones were irrelevant. A possibility
of a fifth caste is also considered by Evola, in the Age of the Wolf.
> Dugin is son of his environment. He quotes the metropolitan Russian
legend of the return to life of Yuri Gagarin (as a new King Arthur
with Excalibur in hand?) ironically or with a bit of faith? I do not
know for sure.
>









Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:41 am

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It seems to me that the greatest mistake made by the National-Bolsheviks is their confusing of the "irrational" with the "supra-rational". This is the same ...
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10:11 am

Surely Dugin is super-talented, like someone said, but also super-acrobatic. It seem to me that he utilize the name of Evola mostly for gaining his ends,...
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Sep 19, 2005
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You refer to http://www.centrostudilaruna.it/evoladugin.html , an essay in which Dugin assesses the relationship between Evola's work and Russian...
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Hitler said: maybe a communist could be a Nazi, a bourgeois never. So, the apparent convergence between extreme Left and Right Wings is due to the uneasiness...
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If I am incorrect, I apologize in advance, but why do you call Buddhism a "right-hand path"? If I remember correctly, Buddhism, at least the original, Aryan...
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It remains to see whether or not the respective definition of the 'left-hand path' and of the 'right-hand path' you refer to, and which is closely akin to that...
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3:14 pm

well, like his master, pootie-poot (see http://oag.ru/library/hodos/js3-32.html ), he aspires to run with the hare and hunt with the hounds, innit? ...
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Sep 19, 2005
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We recommend you to read this article : it is a must, insofar as it shows how the various points of the program set out in the 'Protocols of the Elders of...
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That's right. This confusion between the 'irrational' and the 'supra- rational' characterises National-Bolshevik thought, all its mistakes are likely to derive...
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I have just read the whole of the 'Sacred Geography' essay here: http://web.archive.org/web/20030201210835/utenti.lycos.it/ArchivEurasia/dugin_sgg.html and it...
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In his well-documented "Spiritualité hindoue" (Albin Michel, 1947), Jean Herbert set himself the task "of giving to those who don't know India a truthful...
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Whilst my knowledge of National Bolshevism is thus-far limited to the occasional piece spam which arrives in my inbox, Dugin’s statement is simply...
Savitar Devi
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Oct 26, 2005
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Let's reformulate that : Dumézil was wrong in assuming that Vedic society was divided in three castes, that of the priests, that of the warriors, and that of...
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From the viewpoint of the superior castes, probably the differences between the third and the fourth ones were irrelevant. A possibility of a fifth caste is...
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Oct 26, 2005
6:01 pm

Without going so far, it is true that any Vedic treatise on religious law and social duties was primarily concerned with the regulation of the two highest...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Oct 27, 2005
9:42 am

That sounds a lot like Marcuse's theory that the proletariat had become bourgeoisified and the new revolutionary class in the metropolitan countries was the...
Rowan Berkeley
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Oct 27, 2005
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It does, to a certain extent, except that what is seen as a positive phenomenon by Marcuse, the coming of that "non-repressive civilization which would involve...
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Right, you see the isomorphy between Marcuse's analysis of social trends and Evola's, beneath the "change of sign". Now, that article contains also a reference...
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Oct 28, 2005
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Needless to say that Evola himself saw it. He saw that, if the diagnosis made by Marcuse of contemporary world was accurate, the remedies he offered, far from...
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