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RE: [evola_as_he_is] Xmas, a (not too much) solsticial feast

Absolutely. In “Maschera e volto dello spiritualismo contemporaneo”, Evola devoted a chapter to “esoteric Catholicism” and “integral traditionalism”, though it may not be what you think.

 

From: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com [mailto:evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joel Dietz
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To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [evola_as_he_is] Xmas, a (not too much) solsticial feast

 

 

I am unaware of any explicit statement of Evola's on Christianity or the figure of Jesus Christ from the post- Heathen Imperialism part of his writings, although I do remember several quotations from the gnostic gospels. Is anyone aware of a more explicit evaluation of the work of Jesus Christ, including any accompanying "esoteric" elements both in canonical and extra-canonical texts?

 

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:58 AM, vandermok <vandermok@...> wrote:

 

Three days ago I sent this but did not appear on the forum. I send it again, if lost. 

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I do not know how much Wikipedia is reliable, but anyway this matter makes my head spin.  As far as I have understood, Aurelianus and not Caesar established that feast of 25 December, only in 274 AD (foundation of the temple of the Sol Invictus). Before, as far as I know, Saturnalia never considered the day 25 as a true solsticial feast.

On the web, man insists also that the astronomical winter solstice was, in the Julian calendar, the 13 December; a popular relic of which would be today the feast of Saint Lucy  (in Italy there is lullabay about: Santa Lucia č la notte pił lunga che ci sia). You read Italian and can understand.
According to the fine freeware program 'Riyal' of Juan Revilla  http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/ and also according to Asterix, Solar Fire, etc. the ingress of the sun into Capricorn fell between 2 and 3 December in Julian calendar. The day 25 December of 274 A. D. the sun was about 4° Capricorn in Gregorian calendar, that means the real solstice was regularly 4 days before. So it seems to me that the sentence of Julianus would look correct.

 

Since the problem is not related to Evola, if I'm capable to understand more, I will let you know privately. 
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----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Ciapo 
 

Obviously, by Julian’s time the date for the Winter Solstice no longer fell on 25 December due to the inaccuracy in the Julian calendar. Do you have a reliable source that denies the Julian calendar originally assigned 25 December to the Winter Solstice?
This article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice explains the 3 day discrepancy noted by Julian.

It seems that the difference between the solstice and  the Natalis Solis Invicti has not to do with the calendar reformations, but as the emperor Julianus said:

"They fixed that feast not just in the exact day of the solar conversion, but in the one in which the return of the sun, from south to north, does appear before the eyes of everybody" ( from http://www.centrostudilaruna.it/saturnalia.html )< o>
The same thing happens with the crescent of the new moon that becoms visible only 3 day about after the astronomical phenomenon.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Ciapo
 
Well, Julius Caesar must have had the same lapse, when he established December 25 as the date of the winter solstice in 46 BCE.
Unfortunately, the date would have gradually drifted due to the inaccuracy in the Julian Calendar. When Pope Gregory reformed the calendar, he did not start at 46 BCE, but a few hundred years later. Thus the 4 day difference now between Christmas and the winter solstice .

 



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Even Evola, in 'Roma e il natale solare nella tradizione nordico-aria' (La Difesa della razza, 1940) made a little "lapsus calami" when he wrote that the 25...
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Dec 26, 2010
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When the Church says that, in the dogmas of religion, reason is totally incompetent and blind, and its use to be reprehended, it is in reality attesting the...
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Dec 27, 2010
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"(t)he difficulty is to teach the multitude that something can be both true and untrue at the same time", and this is precisely why the Church never ventured...
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Dec 27, 2010
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From Schopenhauer's Dialogue on Religion: Speaker 1: If would really be an extremely useful inquiry to try to make a completely impartial and accurate...
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Dec 29, 2010
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Well, Julius Caesar must have had the same lapse, when he established December 25 as the date of the winter solstice in 46 BCE. Unfortunately, the date would...
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Dec 29, 2010
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Another oddity was spotted by Julius Africanus in the third century in the claim made in Luke, 23:44-45 ('And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a...
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Dec 29, 2010
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Thanks for the contribution, Tony. Probably it's simply as you say, even if it seems that, before Aurelianus, and precisely under the emperor Licinio (308 -...
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Dec 29, 2010
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It seems that the difference between the solstice and the Natalis Solis Invicti has not to do with the calendar reformations, but as the emperor Julianus...
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Dec 31, 2010
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Obviously, by Julian's time the date for the Winter Solstice no longer fell on 25 December due to the inaccuracy in the Julian calendar. Do you have a reliable...
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Jan 1, 2011
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... From: Evola Another oddity was spotted by Julius Africanus in the third century in the claim made in Luke, 23:44-45 ('And it was about the sixth hour, and...
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Dec 31, 2010
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Three days ago I sent this but did not appear on the forum. I send it again, if lost. ... I do not know how much Wikipedia is reliable, but anyway this matter...
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Jan 7, 2011
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I am unaware of any explicit statement of Evola's on Christianity or the figure of Jesus Christ from the post- Heathen Imperialism part of his writings,...
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Jan 10, 2011
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Absolutely. In ā€œMaschera e volto dello spiritualismo contemporaneoā€, Evola devoted a chapter to ā€œesoteric Catholicismā€ and ā€œintegral...
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Jan 12, 2011
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It would be very interesting to make that brilliant study, written from a traditional European standpoint, available to English-speaking readers of J. Evola...
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Jan 16, 2011
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I fail to see what "esoteric Catholicism" or "integral traditionalism" necessarily have to do with the figure of Jesus Christ. That various aspects of the...
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Jan 19, 2011
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Indeed, it is futile to criticise Christianity by philosophical arguments, which the Church fathers seem to have loved to resort to. As far as historical...
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Feb 14, 2011
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We can assume Evola appreciated the Gnosticism because it was a Hellenistic translation (or even a preamble?) of the Christian message. In reality we know very...
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