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Re: Evola's identification of Typhon with Jehovah

> Just as Semitic virility is not to be confused with Aryan virility,

Does Evola distinguish this?

Regards, K.


--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "evola_as_he_is"
<evola_as_he_is@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Christianity certainly owes a lot to the myth of Osiris as told in
> Plutarch ('Isis and Osiris', 12-20) and elaborated by Diodorus
> Siculus ('Library of History', I, 11-27). Osiris, as any Semitic
god,
> is "essentially (a god) that (changes), (experiences) birth and
> passion, (...) (is) subject to the law of death and rebirth", as
> opposed to the "'Olympian' ideal of unchanging, perfect essences,
> removed from the lower world of destiny" ('Three Aspects of the
> Jewish Problem' - we have quoted so many excerpts of this book for
a
> few months, relevant as it is to the some of the matters we have
> dealt with, that it is actually superfluous, not to say useless, to
> order it, since, in a few months, quotations after quotations,
anyone
> good at puzzles will be able to piece together the whole text in
its
> English edition). Therefore, if Christianity contains a solar
> element, it is not to be sought, as showed in the previous post, in
> what it owes to the myth of Osiris, a god which, in Egypt, was
> conceived of as "the protector of the rich and of the poor". The
cult
> of Osiris is in stark contrast with that of Tem (or Ra), the god of
> the early Egyptians, who are supposed to descend from Atlanteans,
at
> least as far as Egyptian aristocracy is concerned. While Osiris
> fulfilled the need of any Egyptian for personal immortality, which
> developed at the time its cult appeared, immortality was a
privilege
> of the Pharaoh in pre-Osirian times. We witness here a beginning of
> democratisation of early Egyptian religion, at least on the
doctrinal
> plane, since, as far as rituals were concerned, if there were
public
> celebrations of the Osirian cult, the ceremonials performed by the
> priests within the temples could be attended only by the initiates.
>
> Sometime before 3000 B. C., storming out of Mesopotamia, tribes of
> light-skinned Sumerians invaded Egypt, conquered it, and imposed on
> them their own culture. Along with their culture, those newcomers
> established their religion and engrafted new gods upon the older
> pantheon. Osiris is thought to be one of them, and, actually, the
> main one. Osiris soon became identified with almost every other
> Egyptian god and was on the way to absorbing them all. He was the
> pattern for all god-men : "From first to last, Osiris was to the
> Egyptians the god-man who suffered, and died, and rose again, and
> reigned eternally in heaven. They believed that they would inherit
> eternal life, just as he had done." (Budge : 'Osiris and the
Egyptian
> Resurrection') Osiris' advent was announced by Three Wise Men : the
> three stars Mintaka, Anilam, and Alnitak in the constellation
Orion ;
> his flesh was eaten as communion cakes of wheat called the "plant
of
> Truth." Osiris was Truth, and those who ate him, as the Osiris
> Eucharist, became Truth also, each of them another Osiris, a Son of
> God, a "Light-god". Seder, the Jews' Passover, is thought to have
> descended from the Egyptian Sed, the oldest festival of Osirian
> regeneration and fertility. These are just three examples among
many
> others of the influence of Osiris both on the Bible and on the
figure
> of Jesus-Christ. There is, however, one revealing difference
between
> Osiris and Jesus-Christ : the former was restored to life, not by
his
> divine father, but by his divine mother, who was also his bride,
> Isis. But, just as, in the Osiris' cult, Ra was called Osiris'
> father, and Osiris was called Ra's father, so, in Christianity, the
> Father and the Son are declared identical, and the Mother of God
the
> same individual as God's bride.
>
> Interestingly enough, especially with respect to the Aesir, as
> indicated by a scholar, "Primitive elements in Osirian myth show
its
> extreme antiquity, dating back to Neolithic Egypt. Before re-
> conceiving Osiris, the Goddess apparently devoured him as she
hovered
> over his corpse in the guise of the archaic Vulture-mother. Like
> similar images of devouring Kali, this points to an age predating
> even the discovery of fatherhood, when reincarnations were believed
> to be brought about by cannibalism (in this instance pre-
> Eucharist...yet the eating of a god). Indeed, Osiris may have begun
> as one of the numerous forms of Shiva, for his name came from Ausar
> or Asar, meaning "the Asian" just like the Aesir or "Asian" gods of
> northern Europe."
>
> In relation to the "Semitic deviation of virile spirituality" which
> was brought to light by Evola in 'Three Aspects of the Jewish
> problem', what follows is particularly significant : "About 4000
> years ago, Osiris' cult was established at Abydos, where he was
> called Osiris Khenti-Amenti, Lord of Death or Lord of the
Westerners,
> meaning those who had "gone west" into death's sunset land. He was
> incarnate in a succession of sacred kings who seem to have served
as
> sacrificial victims". As explained by L.F. Clauss, each race has
its
> own way of conceiving of and of experiencing every human tendency
and
> every value, according to its own nature. Evola, who realised this
> perfectly, stated, still in 'Three Aspects of the Jewish
> Problem' : "Among Semites, we see an affirmation of the virile
> principle that is (...) either coarsely material and sensual, or
> uncouth and ferociously warlike (Assyria)." It seems to us that
this
> is a clue to understand the "patriarchal-tyrannical side of
Jehovah".
>
> Just as Semitic virility is not to be confused with Aryan virility,
> in another respect, the 'sun-god' as symbol of the ungenerate
> principle of the universe, of the origin of everything which
exists,
> of the principle and the end of any manifestation, is not to be
> mistaken either for the 'sun-god' as cosmic intelligence,
> manifestation of the divinity, or, on an even lower plane, for a
> deity as such, seen as provider of abundant life and natural
vitality
> in all their aspects, whether astronomical, sexual or agricultural.
> It is in this sense that the sun was often identified with Osiris
and
> the moon with Isis in Diodorus (I, 11) - in Plutarch, there are
also
> plenty of data which confirm this interpretation. For ancient
> Egyptians, Osiris, along with Isis, was essentially the heavenly
> power which regulated the seasons, caused the Nile to inundate the
> fields, made the grain to grow, and so on.
>
> Osiris is also identified with the bull. When the Osirian cult was
> first established, five thousand years ago, the precession of the
> equinoxes during the zodiacal year had reached the point at which
the
> sun passes through the Sign of the Bull, at the summer solstice,
when
> the Nile was in spate and, therefore, the land which produced the
> food of the Egyptians was watered and fertilised. Hence the
> importance of Taurus and the sun as linked to 'salvation'. The
bull,
> along with the cow, one of the symbols of Isis, was believed to
cause
> the Nile floods and was seen as sacred and worshipped as gods. Four
> thousand years ago, this precession had altered the position of the
> zodiac, so that the sun passed through the Ram at the summer
> solstice ; and then this animal, or the lamb, became gradually
sacred
> ('Lamb of God'), even though the change was neither immediate nor
> uniform everywhere. Moses is thought to have been in favour of
> changing the worship of Egypt from 'bull' to 'lamb' worship.
> Interestingly enough, in the exodus, Akhenaton's 'followers' came
out
> of Egypt under the sign of the lamb, but, having reached Mount
Sinai,
> built there a golden calf to worship, which angered Moses.
>
>
> --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "vandermok@a..."
> <vandermok@l...> wrote:
> > A source for the definition by Evola (about the Typhon-Jehovah
> identification) has been probably also Plutarch, who says that Set,
> the name of Typhon in Egyptian, means "something turning and
> wriggling incessantly, and always transgressing the law" (De Iside
et
> Osiride, 49). It sounds little like us: Diaspora and wandering Jew.
> >
> > Osiris, forerunner of Christ, is not just a solar god, but on the
> contrary, as Plutarch says: "Typhon becomes the solar world and
> Osiris the lunar one" (ibid.41). This confusion could explain the
> patriarchal-tyrannical side of Jehovah. Plutarch identifies Osiris
> with Dionysus; Osiris is the sun, but only the one at midnight,
while
> travelling in the underworld and destined for the rebirth.
> >
> > By the way, this confirms the Egyptian roots were solar and lunar
> meanwhile (two kingdoms and crowns, hawks and vultures, and maybe
two
> races); I doubt this idea can be applied to the first Christianity,
> but it's an open secret as for the primordial Rome. According to
the
> legend, the Gens Julia comes from Aeneas, son of Venus and her high
> priest Anchises, and Romulus was son of Rhea Silvia priestess of
> Venus again, and of the god Mars. A confrontation between Aryans
and
> Pelasgians could be seen in the legend of Romulus, who won the twin
> Remus watching more vultures flying in the sky. Afterwards, this
> typical symbol of the Egyptian Queens, the vulture, became a solar
> eagle. An affinity to Aesir and Vanir in the Edda has to be
> investigated.
> >
> > As for Saturn as counter-part of the Sun, I think that it be a
late
> codification. Italy was called "Saturnia Tellus" because Saturn was
> the wise king of the Golden Age. After, the Christians even
invented
> a Dialogue between Solomon and Saturn (in "Literaturas germanicas
> medievales", by J. L. Borges) and the Renaissance has been the
> finishing stroke.
>









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