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RE: [evola_as_he_is] Re: Evola's view on sexual inversion

The speech by H. Himmler of 18 februari 1937 has some interesting considerations on the subject. The German text can be found at http://archiv.thingnetz.org/frei/Buecher%20vor%201945/Himmler,%20Heinrich%20-%20Rede%20vor%20den%20Gruppenfuehrern%20auf%20Homosexualitaet%20am%2018.02.1937.pdf

"Anyone who thinks of homosexual "love" is our enemy. We reject anything which emasculates our people and makes it a plaything for our enemies, for we know that life is fight, and it is madness to think that men will ever embrace fraternally"

Heinrich Himmler, 14 May 1928

"I wish to explore a few ideas on the subject of homosexuality. Amongst certain homosexuals there exists the following point of view: "what I do is of no importance to anyone else, it is a personal and private matter". Everything which touches upon sexual matters ceases to be private when the life or death of a nation depends on it. It is the difference between world domination or annihilation.

A nation with many children can gain supremacy and mastery of the world. A pure race with few children already as one foot in the grave; in fifty or a hundred years it will be of no significance; in two hundred years it will be extinct. It is essential to realise that if we allow this infection to continue in Germany without being able to fight it, it will be the end of Germany, of the Germanic world. Unfortunately this is not the simple matter it was for our forefathers. For them, the few isolated cases were simply abnormalities; they drowned them in bogs. Those who found bodies in the mire did not know that in 90% of the cases they found themselves face to face with a homosexual who had been drowned with all his belongings. This was not punishment, more the simple elimination of this particular abnormality. It is vital we rid ourselves of them; like weed we must pull them up, throw them on the fire and burn them. This is not out of a spirit of vengeance, but of necessity; these creatures must be exterminated.

Heinrich Himmler, 18 Feb 1937

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=77130


To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
From: evola_as_he_is@...
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:34:49 +0000
Subject: [evola_as_he_is] Re: Evola's view on sexual inversion

 
'Terzo sesso e democrazia' (`The Third Sex and Democracy') is a third article by J. Evola on the question of homosexuality. It was published in the paper 'Il Borghese' in August 1968, at the time of the 'Brianbanti case'. Briabanti, a leftist intellectual, was condemned to nine years imprisonment for 'plagiarism', that is for having "submitted physically and psychically" two boys, a crime earlier introduced in Italian criminal law by Fascism (http://gnosis.aisi.gov.it/Gnosis/Rivista27.nsf/ServNavig/28) ; Italian intellectuals and civil libertarians all fought against his conviction ; it was the first time in Italian history that these advocated as a whole for homosexual issues.

`Terzo sesso e democrazia' is, so to speak, the first draft of `Il Terzo sesso' (`The Third Sex') "Some ideas, J. Evola asserts wittily in the former, with reference to homosexual issues, are like bacteria, like microbes ; it is as legitimate to neutralise them as it is legitimate to take preventive prophylactic measures in the field of diseases. The fact that homosexuality is not considered as a crime in our ('Roman') penal code and that therefore the propagandising of homosexuality is not a crime either is fair. But, beyond the penal and juridical sphere, the aforementioned preventive measures remain entirely valid." On the basis of these premises, the claim that they could be applied successfully only to the second of the two forms of homosexuality distinguished in a sexological way in `Metaphysics of sex', that is, that "which has an acquired character and is conditioned by psychological and sociological factors influenced by a person's environment", in short, that which is due to "constitutional mutations", and not to that, far less widespread, which has an inborn character, is consistent.

Leaving aside that the line between repression and prophylaxis is arguably quite thin, it should be stressed that J. Evola did not actually reject a priori coercive measures against the former type of homosexuals : the coercion which is considered nonsensical by J. Evola is the socially- and moralistically based one. Drawing on the metaphor he uses to make his point, it could be said that the only way to hold sand in one's hand without it slipping through one's fingers is to scoop it with dampened fingers.

No matter how efficient prophylactic measures might be, "it would be necessary, he writes in `Il Terzo sesso', to move to the plane of root causes, of which all the rest, in all areas… is only a consequence, and, once there, to act at the source, to cause a fundamental change. This means that the whole thing should be based on an overcoming of the current civilisation and society, on the restoration of a differentiated, organic, well-structured type of social organisation through the agency of a living formative central force", a restoration which he deems utopian under the current democratic conditions, since ""democracy" is not a mere political and social fact : it is a general climate which cannot but have regressive consequences on the existential level itself in the long run." As hinted at by studies such as that which was published a few years ago by K. MacDonald on the influential writings of the so-called Frankfurt School, the relentless promotion of homosexuality through more or less subtle psychological and cultural `media' since the 1950's, especially among male children in western countries, is precisely a key factor in the fabrication of this general environment, in which one of the most insidious forms of homosexualisation, of what may be called, on the social plane, a dissemination of homosexuality and, on the individual plane, an insemination of homosexuality is the increasing commercial oestrogenisation of food, water - music - and the feminisation of young White males through the various chemicals found in plastic, itself a derivative of oil, a substance whose oxymoric nickname (`black gold') can hardly hide an actual antipodal inversion of VALUES to qualified observers who are increasingly aware that it is largely through the commercial, financial, and also concrete use of this substance that feminine races have been able to take full control of what may have been then of the traditional patriarchal spiritual, political, and social system and world-view, after "2000" years of Judeo-Christianity.

--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "emmanuelparapine" <emmanuelparapine@...> wrote:
>
> If homosexuality, as the union of two beings sharing the same sexual characteristics, is theorically contrary to the vision of Evola, in which sex takes the shape of a tension between two opposite poles (masculine and feminine), we know that his refusal to reduct gender to a mere biological subject may introduce some subtleties. As far as I know, Evola twice elaborated on this point : in "Metaphysics of sex" (in an appendix at the end of the second chapter - pp. 62-66) and in "L'arc et la massue" (the bow and the club), in the third chapter, entitled "le troisième sexe" (the third sex). Please don't hesitate to mention any text that might remain unknown to me.
>
> In "Metaphysics of sex", he begins by reminding Plato's distinction between :
>
> - „Aphrodite Urania" (the „goddess of a noble love which is not carnal and not concerned by procreation" or the arousal provoked by „incorporeal beauty not linked to any particular person ; divine beauty in an abstract sense"). After Evola, there is „no real problem if the accidental starting point is a being of the same sex".
> - Aphrodite Pandemia or the carnal side of eros. Evola remains that pederasty in ancient Greece, while being „uranic" in its beginning, became carnal during the time of decay.
>
> Evola rightly rejects Plato's application of the myth of the hermaphrodite to homosexuality because „the mythical being of our origin would, in such a case, have not to be hermaphroditic but homogeneous and of one sex only […] Thus, the essential [...] loses its meaning, namely, the idea of the polarity and the complementary nature of the two sexes as the basis of the magnetism of love and of a transcendency in eros, and of the blinding and destructive revelation of the One."
>
> Then, he differenciates between an inborn, natural homosexuality and an acquired one. He links the first one (as would do Weininger) to an incompletion of sexual development (on biological and psychic levels) : „In that way, the original bisexual nature is surpassed in a lesser extent than in a „normal" being, the characteristics of one sex not being predominant over those of the other sex to the same extent".
>
> But „intermediate sexual forms" nowadays are also likely to derive from the contemporary egalitarianist and materialistic environment, leading to neutralization and undifferentiation, and then to the constitution of a „third sex". The problems of manly homosexuals remains, and according to Evola, „such homosexuality is hard to explain". However, „there is reason to suppose that it is merely a matter of „mutual masturbation" and that the conditioned reflexes are exploited for „pleasure"". Concerning ancient homosexuality, when men had sex both with women and „epheboi", Evola links it to a simple „desire to try everything". After distinguishing between hermaphroditic wholeness (which „can only be sufficiency") and „the pederast who acts both like a man and a woman sexually", he finally concludes by sustaining that when homosexuality does not come from an incomplete level of sexual development, it is necessarily a pathological deviation caused by a „displacement of eros".
>
> What we could logically conclude after this reading is that according to Evola, homosexuals are either subhumans (incomplete beings by nature who can not access to the superior, transcendental dimension of sex) or perverts.
>
> But the problem is that in the third chapter „L'arco e la claca", while making similar statements, Evola sustains that „stigmatise homosexuality as a corruption is nonsense (because for beings like those we have spoken about, so-called „natural" intercourses would not be natural, but countrary to their own nature". Here, in my opinion, Evola fails to consider that „nature" doesn't design the mere existence of something in the earthly world, but its connection to normality (the natural order, the normal way the things are in a normal world), which is here sexual attraction between the two opposite sexes (the only one which permit procreation and which give an access to the superior dimension of sex). However, by stating that no repressive policy has a chance to succeed without getting meanwhile to the primary causes by questioning egalitarianism, democracy and so on, he is obviously right. More dubious is to me his rejection of the principle of a repression.
>




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'Terzo sesso e democrazia' (`The Third Sex and Democracy') is a third article by J. Evola on the question of homosexuality. It was published in the paper 'Il...
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Thank you for the clarifications ! I have nothing more to add but I would want to correct some terrible mistakes of my previous message (my proofreading has...
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Don't worry about typos - we can't afford to hire a secretary anymore than you can. One of our collaborators has just unearthed a book which we started to...
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The speech by H. Himmler of 18 februari 1937 has some interesting considerations on the subject. The German text can be found at...
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