J. Bowden on J. Evola

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  • Evola
    Last September, we had the opportunity to attend the 23rd New Right meeting in London, where we listened to an inspiring talk given by Jonathan Bowden on
    Message 1 of 9 , Sep 4, 2010
      Last September, we had the opportunity to attend the 23rd New Right meeting in London, where we listened to an inspiring talk given by Jonathan Bowden on '1984', which, unlike many of the talks he has delivered here and there, is unfortunately not available on line. On the other hand, his speech on J. Evola, given at the 27th New Right meeting which was held last July, is, at :

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSzqDVPVKyE&feature=player_embedded
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0gu2KY46Nw&feature=player_embedded
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wahfjwLeTtQ&feature=player_embedded
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxR-HB7kpyw&feature=player_embedded
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L45s5JidQhM&feature=player_embedded
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta-jsmWH-Kg&feature=player_embedded
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTp79h92hfs&feature=player_embedded

      http://www.jonathanbowden.co.uk/interview.html
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Bowden

      Despite a few inaccuracies, some of which are gross (for
      instance, J. Evola was not a Catholic and never said he was "a Catholic pagan", far from it), this is an excellent and lively introduction to J. Evola's world-view.
    • (Dhr.) G. van der Heide
      Would it happen to be this speech? http://www.youtube.com/user/BritishNewRight#p/u/20/uX4TC1cBvjg 2010/9/4 Evola
      Message 2 of 9 , Sep 5, 2010
        Would it happen to be this speech?


        2010/9/4 Evola <evola_as_he_is@...>
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        Last September, we had the opportunity to attend the 23rd New Right meeting in London, where we listened to an inspiring talk given by Jonathan Bowden on '1984', which, unlike many of the talks he has delivered here and there, is unfortunately not available on line. On the other hand, his speech on J. Evola, given at the 27th New Right meeting which was held last July, is, at :

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSzqDVPVKyE&feature=player_embedded
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0gu2KY46Nw&feature=player_embedded
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wahfjwLeTtQ&feature=player_embedded
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxR-HB7kpyw&feature=player_embedded
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L45s5JidQhM&feature=player_embedded
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta-jsmWH-Kg&feature=player_embedded
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTp79h92hfs&feature=player_embedded

        http://www.jonathanbowden.co.uk/interview.html
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Bowden

        Despite a few inaccuracies, some of which are gross (for
        instance, J. Evola was not a Catholic and never said he was "a Catholic pagan", far from it), this is an excellent and lively introduction to J. Evola's world-view.


      • Evola
        Unfortunately though, it s only the speech. Thank you.
        Message 3 of 9 , Sep 6, 2010
          Unfortunately though, it's 'only' the speech. Thank you.



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          --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "(Dhr.) G. van der Heide" <vnvsmvndvs@...> wrote:
          >
          > Would it happen to be this speech?
          >
          > http://www.youtube.com/user/BritishNewRight#p/u/20/uX4TC1cBvjg
          >
          > 2010/9/4 Evola <evola_as_he_is@...>
          >
          > >
          > >
          > > Last September, we had the opportunity to attend the 23rd New Right meeting
          > > in London, where we listened to an inspiring talk given by Jonathan Bowden
          > > on '1984', which, unlike many of the talks he has delivered here and there,
          > > is unfortunately not available on line. On the other hand, his speech on J.
          > > Evola, given at the 27th New Right meeting which was held last July, is, at
          > > :
          > >
          > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSzqDVPVKyE&feature=player_embedded
          > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0gu2KY46Nw&feature=player_embedded
          > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wahfjwLeTtQ&feature=player_embedded
          > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxR-HB7kpyw&feature=player_embedded
          > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L45s5JidQhM&feature=player_embedded
          > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta-jsmWH-Kg&feature=player_embedded
          > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTp79h92hfs&feature=player_embedded
          > >
          > > http://www.jonathanbowden.co.uk/interview.html
          > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Bowden
          > >
          > > Despite a few inaccuracies, some of which are gross (for
          > > instance, J. Evola was not a Catholic and never said he was "a Catholic
          > > pagan", far from it), this is an excellent and lively introduction to J.
          > > Evola's world-view.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >
        • timotheus.lutz
          We also had the opportunity to hear Bowden speak a few years ago, shortly before his death. We were impressed by his prodigious rhetorical force, but thought
          Message 4 of 9 , Aug 29, 2016

            We also had the opportunity to hear Bowden speak a few years ago, shortly before his death. We were impressed by his prodigious rhetorical force, but thought that, in general, in his speeches and articles too much attention and energy was dissipated on literary criticism and analyses of popular entertainment.  


            Among some errors in his speech on Evola, notable among them being his identification of 'metaphysical objectivism' with 'monotheism' (against 'polytheism'), and also with fundamentalism, there is a very serious one that ought be addressed: 'Evola doesn’t believe in progress nor does the Tradition that he comes out of. They don’t believe in scientific progress. They don’t believe in evolution. But his anti-evolutionism is strange and interesting. It’s got nothing to do with creationism and, if you like, the Evangelical politics of certain parts of what you might call the Puritan American Right, for example. His attitude is a reverse attitude, which in a strange way is an involuntary and inegalitarian way of looking at the same issue. His view is that the apes are descended from us as we go upwards rather than we are descended from them as we leave them in their simian animalism. So, in a way, it’s actually a reformulation of the same idea but looking upwards and always seeing, if you like, the snobbish, the aristocratic, the prevailing, the over-arching view rather than viewing the thing from a mass, generic, and middling perspective which includes people.' (from a transcript of the above speech, http://www.counter-currents.com/2014/10/julius-evolathe-worlds-most-right-wing-thinker/ )


            The claim that Evola's perspective is merely some kind of 'snobbish' imaginative interpretation of the same proposed process of transformation of species proposed by Darwinism - a 'reformulation of the same idea', as he says - is a grave misinterpretation. His anti-evolutionism, in fact, does have something in common with that of the 'Puritan American Right'. No matter how confused or even subversive that movement has been, it has been producing, here and there, fairly strong arguments against the evolutionist fallacy. Evola mentions one of them in Revolt against the Modern World: Douglas Dewar's The Transformist Illusion. Like them, Evola makes it clear that he understands that man does not descend from the ape, although he does so in a much more compelling manner *.


            Adding to the confusion perhaps are several remarks against 'Creationism' in in Evola's works, however in the context of those passages the term is referring not to anti-evolutionism, but specifically to the Abrahamic concept of creation ex nihilo by an anthropomorphic god.    


            We will start a discussion on this topic soon.


            *His more detailed writings on evolutionism (from Introduzione alla Magia vol. III) are available in translation here:

            http://www.gornahoor.net/?p=6261

            http://www.gornahoor.net/?p=6287

            http://www.gornahoor.net/?p=6301



          • adams Andler
            Wow amazing... i ve been searching for Introduction to Magic By the UR GROUP (Any volume beyond 1)... .as 1 is the only one available in English.  Is there
            Message 5 of 9 , Sep 3, 2016
              Wow amazing... i've been searching for Introduction to Magic By the UR GROUP (Any volume beyond 1)... .as 1 is the only one available in English. 

              Is there anywhere I can obtain the further volumes in English?

              Can someone translate them?

              Thank you        


              On Thursday, September 1, 2016 7:46 AM, "timotheus.lutz@... [evola_as_he_is]" <evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


               
              We also had the opportunity to hear Bowden speak a few years ago, shortly before his death. We were impressed by his prodigious rhetorical force, but thought that, in general, in his speeches and articles too much attention and energy was dissipated on literary criticism and analyses of popular entertainment.  

              Among some errors in his speech on Evola, notable among them being his identification of 'metaphysical objectivism' with 'monotheism' (against 'polytheism'), and also with fundamentalism, there is a very serious one that ought be addressed: 'Evola doesn’t believe in progress nor does the Tradition that he comes out of. They don’t believe in scientific progress. They don’t believe in evolution. But his anti-evolutionism is strange and interesting. It’s got nothing to do withcreationism and, if you like, the Evangelical politics of certain parts of what you might call the Puritan American Right, for example. His attitude is a reverse attitude, which in a strange way is an involuntary and inegalitarian way of looking at the same issue. His view is that the apes are descended from us as we go upwards rather than we are descended from them as we leave them in their simian animalism. So, in a way, it’s actually a reformulation of the same idea but looking upwards and always seeing, if you like, the snobbish, the aristocratic, the prevailing, the over-arching view rather than viewing the thing from a mass, generic, and middling perspective which includes people.' (from a transcript of the above speech, http://www.counter-currents.com/2014/10/julius-evolathe-worlds-most-right-wing-thinker/ )

              The claim that Evola's perspective is merely some kind of 'snobbish' imaginative interpretation of the same proposed process of transformation of species proposed by Darwinism - a 'reformulation of the same idea', as he says - is a grave misinterpretation. His anti-evolutionism, in fact, does have something in common with that of the 'Puritan American Right'. No matter how confused or even subversive that movement has been, it has been producing, here and there, fairly strong arguments against the evolutionist fallacy. Evola mentions one of them in Revolt against the Modern World: Douglas Dewar's The Transformist Illusion. Like them, Evola makes it clear that he understands that man does not descend from the ape, although he does so in a much more compelling manner *.

              Adding to the confusion perhaps are several remarks against 'Creationism' in in Evola's works, however in the context of those passages the term is referring not to anti-evolutionism, but specifically to the Abrahamic concept of creation ex nihilo by an anthropomorphic god.    

              We will start a discussion on this topic soon.

              *His more detailed writings on evolutionism (from Introduzione alla Magia vol. III) are available in translation here:




            • timotheus.lutz
              A minor correction: Douglas Dewar was a British Christian evangelical, not an American one. ... We also had the opportunity to hear Bowden speak a few years
              Message 6 of 9 , Sep 9, 2016
                A minor correction: Douglas Dewar was a British Christian evangelical, not an American one.

                ---In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, <timotheus.lutz@...> wrote :

                We also had the opportunity to hear Bowden speak a few years ago, shortly before his death. We were impressed by his prodigious rhetorical force, but thought that, in general, in his speeches and articles too much attention and energy was dissipated on literary criticism and analyses of popular entertainment.  


                Among some errors in his speech on Evola, notable among them being his identification of 'metaphysical objectivism' with 'monotheism' (against 'polytheism'), and also with fundamentalism, there is a very serious one that ought be addressed: 'Evola doesn’t believe in progress nor does the Tradition that he comes out of. They don’t believe in scientific progress. They don’t believe in evolution. But his anti-evolutionism is strange and interesting. It’s got nothing to do with creationism and, if you like, the Evangelical politics of certain parts of what you might call the Puritan American Right, for example. His attitude is a reverse attitude, which in a strange way is an involuntary and inegalitarian way of looking at the same issue. His view is that the apes are descended from us as we go upwards rather than we are descended from them as we leave them in their simian animalism. So, in a way, it’s actually a reformulation of the same idea but looking upwards and always seeing, if you like, the snobbish, the aristocratic, the prevailing, the over-arching view rather than viewing the thing from a mass, generic, and middling perspective which includes people.' (from a transcript of the above speech, http://www.counter-currents.com/2014/10/julius-evolathe-worlds-most-right-wing-thinker/ )


                The claim that Evola's perspective is merely some kind of 'snobbish' imaginative interpretation of the same proposed process of transformation of species proposed by Darwinism - a 'reformulation of the same idea', as he says - is a grave misinterpretation. His anti-evolutionism, in fact, does have something in common with that of the 'Puritan American Right'. No matter how confused or even subversive that movement has been, it has been producing, here and there, fairly strong arguments against the evolutionist fallacy. Evola mentions one of them in Revolt against the Modern World: Douglas Dewar's The Transformist Illusion. Like them, Evola makes it clear that he understands that man does not descend from the ape, although he does so in a much more compelling manner *.


                Adding to the confusion perhaps are several remarks against 'Creationism' in in Evola's works, however in the context of those passages the term is referring not to anti-evolutionism, but specifically to the Abrahamic concept of creation ex nihilo by an anthropomorphic god.    


                We will start a discussion on this topic soon.


                *His more detailed writings on evolutionism (from Introduzione alla Magia vol. III) are available in translation here:

                http://www.gornahoor.net/?p=6261

                http://www.gornahoor.net/?p=6287

                http://www.gornahoor.net/?p=6301



              • evola_as_he_is
                Someone can, and has actually started to, years ago, with The Limits of Initiatory Regularity and The Concept of Initiation , which shall be published again
                Message 7 of 9 , Sep 10, 2016
                  Someone can, and has actually started to, years ago, with 'The Limits of Initiatory Regularity' and

                  'The Concept of Initiation', which shall be published again at

                   

                  , as soon as the final proofreading is done.

                   Ideally, the next unpublished text from 'Ur and Krur' should be that which deals with a critique of Jung's views.
                • adams Andler
                  why not actual sex magick rituals/etc.... or did the ur group never publish anything publicly on this. nagowska served evola correct? top secret monographs On
                  Message 8 of 9 , Nov 21, 2016
                    why not actual sex magick rituals/etc.... or did the ur group never publish anything publicly on this.
                    nagowska served evola correct?

                    top secret monographs


                    On Saturday, September 10, 2016 9:02 AM, "evola_as_he_is@... [evola_as_he_is]" <evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                     
                    Someone can, and has actually started to, years ago, with 'The Limits of Initiatory Regularity' and

                    'The Concept of Initiation', which shall be published again at
                     
                    , as soon as the final proofreading is done.

                     Ideally, the next unpublished text from 'Ur and Krur' should be that which deals with a critique of Jung's views.


                  • evola_as_he_is
                    Evola, in Metaphysics of Sex , pointed out that there is hardly any usable and, for that matter, abusable female left these days.
                    Message 9 of 9 , Nov 23, 2016

                      Evola, in 'Metaphysics of Sex', pointed out that there is hardly any usable and, for that matter, abusable female left these days.   

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