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Reply Message #429 of 1563 |
Re: [evola_as_he_is] Heidnischer Imperialismus

I believe, Tony, you did not intend to stir up a nest of hornets; anyway just a little addition.

 

The whole chapter has a series of plural verbs: affermiamo, sosteniamo, etc… because Evola normally uses the "pluralis maiestatis" like Guénon, so doubts cannot exist.

We see the German version has "la fede dell'uomo occidentale" (the faith of the western man) instead of the Italian "l'eresia cristiana" (Christian heresy), an adaptation to the German mentality, while evidently the term "veggenza" did not require such a change, in spite of what Evola wrote on the northern race in 'Il Mito del sangue' (objective, realistic, cold, and so on). Then the word cannot have only an occultist connotation, but voices something more.

 

Sometimes also the best gentlemen can suffer of claustrophobia.

 
 
Tony Ciopa <hyperborean@...> wrote:

I never even mentioned the existence of a “rough draft”, both because it seemed to me to be a private matter never intended for publication and also because it was accompanied by some unflattering remarks that revealed more about the character of the poster than of the target of the remarks. Besides, I did not want to encourage a private dispute that was made public under the pretext of a critique of Evola.

The draft was posted to the yahoo [evola] group, which I seldom read anymore. I stumbled upon the quote, because I was curious about the cause of the sudden drop in quality of some of the recent posts to this group. I did feel the need to correct such a shocking and fundamental misunderstanding of Evola – that is why I brought the issue up; the existence of a rough draft was only incidental.

My text has a typographical error – it reads “affermiano”, which could be taken either as “affermiamo” or “affermano”, depending on where the error lies.

So I quickly and mistakenly took it as “the fatti ed opera affirm [to us] …”. But if the correct text has “affermiamo”, that would make more sense. Thanks for noticing that.

(It does read “affermiamo” in the original Italian edition on page 115.)

Finally, I wasn’t accusing you of the misreading. The misreading clearly originated in the gentleman who instigated this exchange.

[Note that I referred to it as a “misreading”, not a “mistranslation” – the translation was clear to anyone who is actually familiar with Evola.]

 



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