Let's reformulate that : Dumézil was wrong in assuming that Vedic
society was divided in three castes, that of the priests, that of the
warriors, and that of the farmers, of the workers, of the producers,
and so on. Since, to him, there was no fourth caste, it seems
paradoxical that he should issue the "extremely important warning"
that "workers belonged to the third caste, and not to the fourth
caste" in that society. Despite the "extreme importance" of
that "warning", no reference to any book by Dumézil is given to us.
In all likelihood, Dugin, who, to the best of our knowledge,
recognises that Aryan traditional society was based on four castes,
has extrapolated from that French structuralist's tripartition thesis
to make the system of four castes fit with his national-Bolshevik
world-outlook, twisting the meaning of that system in the process.
This being said, even if the "workers (belong) to the third caste,
and not to the fourth caste", how on earth is that supposed to
demonstrate that "the antibourgeois struggle of socialists has
implicitly a traditional and Indo-European dimension"?
Besides, the term "worker" refers to that offshoot of speculative
capitalism which Marxist ideology is, for which, incidentally,
peasants, too, were considered as "workers". It is an anachronism to
use it in a Vedic context. The fact that Dugin commit it does not
come as a surprise to us.
--- In
evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, Savitar Devi
<savitar_devi@y...> wrote:
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>
> Whilst my knowledge of National Bolshevism is thus-far limited to
the occasional piece spam which arrives in my inbox, Dugin's
statement is simply ill-informed and absurd, indeed it almost
surpasses there known boundaries of absurdity and boarders on being a
blatant lie.
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> Vaiúya, the third of the Twice-Born castes is equivalent
to `Tradesmen', not only merchants, but also farmers, as seen in the
Laws of Manu (330) `He must be acquainted with (the manner of) sowing
seeds, and of the good and bad qualities of fields, and he musty
perfectly know all measures and weights.' A farmer is by no means the
same as worker though.
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> Since Úûdra literally translates as `worker' I fail to see how one
can conclude workers comprise the third caste instead of the fourth.
If one reads the Books of Manu, it furthermore becomes clear that the
rendering of the word `worker' here boarders on also adopting the
definition of `slave' and it is indeed a caste of composed of
conquered peoples, as one should be able to see by the castes strong
associations with the colour `black' and the `soles of the feet',
both of which are strong symbols of impurity to the Hindu/Aryan.
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>
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> I have not read the work in which Dumézil mentions `workers
belonged to the third caste, and not to the fourth caste". In which
of his books is this written?
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> Dugin does indeed sound like a victim of Marxism.
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>
> evola_as_he_is <evola_as_he_is@y...> wrote:
> Bearing this in mind, this passage of Dugin's 'Julius Evola e il
> tradizionalismo russo' (
>
http://www.centrostudilaruna.it/evoladugin.html ), which we
mentioned
> a few weeks ago, is absurd : "(...) Evola has wrongly identified,
> according to the logic of the non revolutionary Right, traditional
> castes with the classes of Western society. In this respect, we
> should bear in mind the extremely important warning of George
Dumezil
> about the fact that, in traditional Indo-European, thus Aryan,
> society, workers belonged to the third caste, and not to the fourth
> caste. Besides, merchants (that is proto-capitalists (sic)) did not
> belong in any way to the system of castes in that society and all
the functions of distribution of goods and of money were the
prerogative
> of the warriors, of the kshatriyas. This means that the merchants
> class does not correspond in any way to the structure of Aryan
> society and was historically superimposed on it as a result of
> cultural and racial mixing. Therefore, the antibourgeois struggle
of
> socialists has implicitly a traditional and Indo-European
dimension."
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