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Re: [evola_as_he_is] Two 'mistakes' of National-Bolshevism (a third one)

Whilst my knowledge of National Bolshevism is thus-far limited to the occasional piece spam which arrives in my inbox, Dugin’s statement is simply ill-informed and absurd, indeed it almost surpasses there known boundaries of absurdity and boarders on being a blatant lie.

 

Vaiúya, the third of the Twice-Born castes is equivalent to ‘Tradesmen’, not only merchants, but also farmers, as seen in the Laws of Manu (330) ‘He must be acquainted with (the manner of) sowing seeds, and of the good and bad qualities of fields, and he musty perfectly know all measures and weights.’ A farmer is by no means the same as worker though.

 

Since Úûdra literally translates as ‘worker’ I fail to see how one can conclude workers comprise the third caste instead of the fourth.  If one reads the Books of Manu, it furthermore becomes clear that the rendering of the word ‘worker’ here boarders on also adopting the definition of ‘slave’ and it is indeed a caste of composed of conquered peoples, as one should be able to see by the castes strong associations with the colour ‘black’ and the ‘soles of the feet’, both of which are strong symbols of impurity to the Hindu/Aryan.

 

I have not read the work in which Dumézil mentions ‘workers belonged to the third caste, and not to the fourth caste". In which of his books is this written?

 Dugin does indeed sound like a victim of
Marxism.


evola_as_he_is <evola_as_he_is@...> wrote:

Bearing this in mind, this passage of Dugin's 'Julius Evola e il
tradizionalismo russo' (
http://www.centrostudilaruna.it/evoladugin.html ), which we mentioned
a few weeks ago, is absurd : "(...) Evola has wrongly identified,
according to the logic of the non revolutionary Right, traditional
castes with the classes of Western society. In this respect, we
should bear in mind the extremely important warning of George Dumezil
about the fact that, in traditional Indo-European, thus Aryan,
society, workers belonged to the third caste, and not to the fourth
caste. Besides, merchants (that is proto-capitalists (sic)) did not
belong in any way to the system of castes in that society and all the functions of distribution of goods and of money were the prerogative
of the warriors, of the kshatriyas. This means that the merchants
class does not correspond in any way to the structure of Aryan
society and was historically superimposed on it as a result of
cultural and racial mixing. Therefore, the antibourgeois struggle of
socialists has implicitly a traditional and Indo-European dimension."


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It seems to me that the greatest mistake made by the National-Bolsheviks is their confusing of the "irrational" with the "supra-rational". This is the same ...
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Surely Dugin is super-talented, like someone said, but also super-acrobatic. It seem to me that he utilize the name of Evola mostly for gaining his ends,...
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You refer to http://www.centrostudilaruna.it/evoladugin.html , an essay in which Dugin assesses the relationship between Evola's work and Russian...
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Hitler said: maybe a communist could be a Nazi, a bourgeois never. So, the apparent convergence between extreme Left and Right Wings is due to the uneasiness...
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If I am incorrect, I apologize in advance, but why do you call Buddhism a "right-hand path"? If I remember correctly, Buddhism, at least the original, Aryan...
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It remains to see whether or not the respective definition of the 'left-hand path' and of the 'right-hand path' you refer to, and which is closely akin to that...
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well, like his master, pootie-poot (see http://oag.ru/library/hodos/js3-32.html ), he aspires to run with the hare and hunt with the hounds, innit? ...
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We recommend you to read this article : it is a must, insofar as it shows how the various points of the program set out in the 'Protocols of the Elders of...
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That's right. This confusion between the 'irrational' and the 'supra- rational' characterises National-Bolshevik thought, all its mistakes are likely to derive...
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I have just read the whole of the 'Sacred Geography' essay here: http://web.archive.org/web/20030201210835/utenti.lycos.it/ArchivEurasia/dugin_sgg.html and it...
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In his well-documented "Spiritualité hindoue" (Albin Michel, 1947), Jean Herbert set himself the task "of giving to those who don't know India a truthful...
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Whilst my knowledge of National Bolshevism is thus-far limited to the occasional piece spam which arrives in my inbox, Dugin’s statement is simply...
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Let's reformulate that : Dumézil was wrong in assuming that Vedic society was divided in three castes, that of the priests, that of the warriors, and that of...
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From the viewpoint of the superior castes, probably the differences between the third and the fourth ones were irrelevant. A possibility of a fifth caste is...
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Without going so far, it is true that any Vedic treatise on religious law and social duties was primarily concerned with the regulation of the two highest...
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That sounds a lot like Marcuse's theory that the proletariat had become bourgeoisified and the new revolutionary class in the metropolitan countries was the...
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It does, to a certain extent, except that what is seen as a positive phenomenon by Marcuse, the coming of that "non-repressive civilization which would involve...
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Right, you see the isomorphy between Marcuse's analysis of social trends and Evola's, beneath the "change of sign". Now, that article contains also a reference...
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Needless to say that Evola himself saw it. He saw that, if the diagnosis made by Marcuse of contemporary world was accurate, the remedies he offered, far from...
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