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Evola and Hitler

Hello,

First of all, 'Hitler e le società segrete' is an excellent article,
insofar as the views which are developed in it on the much
controversial question of the relationship between National-Socialism
and secret societies and initiatory organisations are closely akin to
those of... the National-Socialist hierarchy itself on this matter,
whether the authors of airport novels like 'The Spear of Destiny'
or 'The Dawn of Magic' or the readers of romantic novels on the so-
called 'Thule Gesellschaft', from which Hitler and most top-ranking
National-Socialist officials kept their distance and which they
didn't take seriously, like it or not.

These views were summed up with humour by Goebbels, the most faithful
man to Hitler, in 'Struggle for Berlin': "The party had not been
banned by the police that migratory birds of nationalism appeared.
Some intervened for the reform of the German language, others thought
they had found the philosopher's stone in biochemics or in
homeopathics, others saw in Pückler, the anti-Semitic count, the
saviour of the XXth century, others had discovered a new
revolutionary financial theory, and others revealed the original link
between nationalism and atomic disintegration. All these more or less
esoteric activities were hitched to the party's train. The
specialists mistook their preposterous crazes for National-Socialism
and insisted on the Party aligning itself with their claiming, most
often shameless and arrogant, if it did not want to dissipate and to
waste its whole historical mission. Only an unshakeable firmness can
limit damages of this kind. We have never let such fantasies develop
in our movement (...)". It is important to understand that, if
Goebbels was slightly ironical about the term 'esotericism', it may
be because he was aware that, for a long time, 'esotericism' had been
in the hands of the Jew. National-Socialism was a political movement
in the broadest sense, and nothing else, and, if ever there was
something genuinely esoteric about it, it's certainly not airport
novels' authors who would be able to tell us what it is that it may
have been. As stressed by Guénon, genuine initiatory organisations do
not leave any written trace behind them.

This "esoteric Nazism" which, from 1945 on, some novelists have tried
to build on the basis of their own limited bourgeois comprehension of
esotericism - only to bring discredit, for most of them, on National-
Socialism and to demonise it in the opinion of the populace, and "to
identify the "occult side" of this movement with what Guénon called
the "Counter-Initiation" in the opinion of the 'initiates' - only
existed in their mind and never existed in reality. "A serious
investigation into Hitler's initiatory connections with secret
societies does not lead far", nor does the much overrated book
on 'The Occult Roots of Nazism'. By the way, is it a coincidence if
National-Socialism was the first regime in history to have been
suspected by historians to have an "occult background"? In fact, if
we take into consideration the fact that one of the favourite tactics
of the forces of subversion is to distract people's attention from
the real issues and from the real seats of infection which they
constantly fuel, it is to Washington, to Moscow and to London that we
must turn our eyes to see 'black magicians' at work. In other words,
we strongly encourage people to investigate the "occult roots of
democracy". Democracy, to quote Maurras, is death, and, among other
things, other deaths, it marks the death of the state and of
politics. Thus, isn't it quite extraordinary that the principle of
politics and of its primacy over economics was reasserted in the XXth
century by National-Socialism and Fascism?

Julius Evola and Adolf Hitler were both men of action. One of the
main differences between them lies in the fact that the former never
had the opportunity to take action, whereas the latter did. We would
be interested in knowing on what texts by Evola, besides 'Hitler e le
società segrete", you based yourself to judge Evola's attitude
towards Hitler. It is correct on the whole, except that, if Evola
pointed out at Hitler's mediumnistic qualities, it doesn't seem to us
that he actually criticised him for having them. Obviously, a
discussion on Evola's attitude towards Hitler could be really
initiated on this forum only when most of the main texts published by
the former on the latter are available in English, namely the twelfth
chapter of 'Il Mito del sangue' ('Adolf Hitler's racism')
and 'Fascismo e terzo reich', from which one doesn't really draw the
impression that Evola had much admiration for Hitler.

In the meantime, we will gladly give orientations to those who are
interested in going deeper into this matter.

Thompkins&Cariou







--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "skyegamble89"
<skyegamble89@y...> wrote:
> I think it would be interesting to initiate a discussion about the
> relationship
> between Evola and National Socialism, or more particularly, Evola's
> attitude
> regarding Adolf Hitler.
>
> From reading various articles, and in particular, Evola's "Hitler e
> le società
> segrete", and as has been acknowledged here repeatedly, we can see
> that
> Evola severely criticized Hitler for, among other things, his lack
of
> transcendent foundations, his biological reductivism, his almost
> mediumistic
> qualities, etc.
>
> On the other hand, I detect a certain admiration on the part of
> Evola, and, as
> was recently stated here, the racial theories of Evola and Hitler,
> despite being
> fundamentally different, have certain similarities. As I have not
had
> access to
> the entire, untranslated Evolian opus, I would appreciate the input
> of those
> who have read further into this subject.
>
> Thank you,
> Skye J. Gamble








Mon Jun 6, 2005 8:44 pm

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I think it would be interesting to initiate a discussion about the relationship between Evola and National Socialism, or more particularly, Evola's attitude ...
skyegamble89 Offline Send Email Jun 6, 2005
4:11 pm

Hello, First of all, 'Hitler e le società segrete' is an excellent article, insofar as the views which are developed in it on the much controversial question...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jun 6, 2005
8:51 pm

First, thank you kindly for your response to my original inquiry. Regarding what I said about Evola's possible "admiration" for Hitler, perhaps the more ...
skyegamble89 Offline Send Email Jun 7, 2005
1:09 pm

Hello, As you have noticed, this list is not meant to be a 'Evola fan-club', but will try to show Evola, precisely, as he was, avoiding to fall in a trap...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jun 7, 2005
5:04 pm

"Evola did not write in it that Hitler was "a man of a very extraordinary kind, and extremely gifted". This is a mistranslation. The Italian sentence is as ...
skyegamble89 Offline Send Email Jun 7, 2005
8:22 pm

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