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I forgot to thank everyone (kshonan, caleb, darkie, zenon,
evola_as_he_is) for providing references and help on my previous
posts...

I will compose a good documentary post on ancient Roman racism when I
have the time (there is a book on this specific subject entitled, Racial
Prejudice in Imperial Rome, by A. N. Sherwin-White)...

As to Christianity, I have already explained my 'socially pragmatic'
position. The problem is with MODERN Protestant, Marxified, Zionistic
Christianity, not the initiatic, virile Christianity of Dionysius the
Areopagite, Meister Eckhart and the Military Religious Orders.

If we are considering Christianity from a racial perspective, the Bible
clearly records the white Mediterranean phenotype as normative and
Jesus' ancestor King David is described as "white and ruddy" (Song of
Songs 5:10). The ancient Israelites were racially and phenotypically
similar to the ancient Romans as Mediterranean Whites. Only the
uneducated or agenda-driven could fail to see this fact. See Gen. 12:11,
24:16, 26:7; I Samuel 16:11-12, 17:42; Song of Songs 5:10, 6:10;
Lamentations 4:7, etc... Abarbanel at the
end of the 15th century described the Hebrew matriarch Sarah as 'a
beautiful woman...since her beauty is her whiteness (loven)'...
Unfortunately, Jews over time became catastrophically mixed with slave
detritus, and not many have the godly form of Sarah...

Right now, I am researching the statements of the early Christian Church
Fathers and theologians on racial matters, which are surprisingly
'unpolitically correct', and I will post the final results of my
research when I am finished... For instance, there is the revealing
instruction of Saint Ennodius (474-521): "Let not black girls stain
your body, and don't lie with them on account of their Hellish
face." (Sic tua non maculent nigrantes membra puellae,
Nec iaceas propter Tartaream faciem), Epistulae 7.21.

Apropos of the curse of Ham and ancient Judeo-Christian/Islamic views on
racial hierarchy--

"During their sojourn in the ark, the two sexes, of men and animals
alike, had lived apart from each other.... This law of conduct had been
violated by none in the ark except by Ham, by the dog and by the raven.
They all received a punishment. Ham's was that his descendents were men
of dark-hued skin" (Ginzberg, Legends of the Bible, 79).

In Genesis Rabbah, Rabbi Hiyya claims that "Ham and a dog had sexual
relations in the ark. Therefore Ham came forth dusky, and the dog, for
his part, has sexual relations in public...." (Jacob Neusner, ed.,
Genesis Rabbah: The Judaic Commentary to the Book of Genesis, A New
American Translation, vol. 2, 33).

The rabbis additionally associated Ham's sexual assault upon Noah with
the enslaved condition and degraded color of his descendents:

A. Said R. Berekhiah, "Noah in the ark was most distressed that he had
no young son to take care of him. He said, 'When I shall get out of this
ark, I shall produce a young son to take care of me.'


B. "When Ham had done the disgraceful deed, he said, 'You are the one
who stopped me from producing a young son to take care of me, therefore
that man himself [you] will be a servant to his brothers.'"

C. R. Huna in the name of R. Joseph: " 'You are the one who prevented me
from producing a fourth son, therefore I curse your fourth son
[corresponding to the fourth son I never had].' "


D. R. Huna in the name of R. Joseph: " 'You are the one who stopped me
from doing something that is done in darkness, therefore your seed will
be ugly and dusky.'" (Neusner, Genesis Rabbah, 33)

The connection between Ham's sin and the phenotype of his descendents is
highlighted in a well-known compendium of rabbinic commentary on Genesis
9:

"When Noah awoke from his wine and became sober, he pronounced a curse
upon the last-born son of the son that had prevented him from begetting
a younger son than the three he had. The descendents of Ham through
Canaan therefore have red eyes, because Ham looked upon the nakedness of
his father; they have misshapen lips, because Ham spoke with his lips to
his brothers about the unseemly condition of his father; they have
twisted curly hair, because Ham turned and twisted his head round to see
the nakedness of his father; and they go about naked, because Ham did
not cover the nakedness of his father." (Ginzberg, Legends of the Bible,
80)

The Midrashic author of Bereshit Rabbah 86:3, in the context of
explicating the biblical story of the Ishmaelite's sale of Joseph into
slavery to Potiphar, identifies one who is by nature a master as
'German':

"Everywhere a white (Germani, literally German) sells a black man
(cushi), while here a black man is selling a white man! He is no slave!"

Joseph is thus designated as 'Germani', i.e. European, a fair-skinned
natural master.

Before modern political correctness existed, Jews, Christians and
Muslims acknowledged the hierarchy of races. Jewish medieval philosophy
certainly did. For example, let us study Judah Halevi's The Kuzari
(1:1):

"Therefore, every individual on earth has its complete causes;
consequently an individual with perfect causes becomes perfect and
another with imperfect causes remains imperfect, e.g. the black (al
habashi) is fit to receive nothing more than human shape and speech
(i.e. intellectual potential) in its least developed form; the
philosopher, however, who is equipped with the highest capacity, derives
therefrom moral, intellectual and active advantages, so that he wants
nothing to make him perfect."

Also see the Parable of the King's Palace (3:51) in Moses
Maimonide's Guide to the Perplexed:

"Those who are outside the city are all human individuals who have no
doctrinal beliefs, neither one based on speculation nor one that accepts
the authority of tradition: such individuals as the furthermost Turks
found in the remote north, the Blacks (al sudan) found in the remote
south, and those who resemble them from among them that are with us in
these climes. The status of those is like that of irrational animals. To
my mind they do not have the rank of men, but have among the beings a
rank lower than the rank of man but higher than the rank of apes."

Then there is the forthright starkness of the famous Islamic scholar Ibn
Khaldun (1332-1406):

"Therefore, the Black nations are, as a rule, submissive to slavery,
because (Blacks) have little (that is essentially) human and have
attributes that are quite similar to dumb animals, as we have stated"
(The Muqaddimah).

And last, the great Jewish statesman, philosopher and statesman,
Abrabanel (1437-1508). In his Perush le-Sefer Bereshit (Commentary on
the Book of Genesis), Abrabanel states the following:

"And see, Ham displays the animal life, so that seeing his father's
nakedness he did not spare his honor. As an ignoramus he knew not the
fine qualities of honoring father and mother and the matter of nakedness
... And of Ham he said Canaan shall serve them, meaning that Ham's
favorite son Canaan would serve Shem and Japheth. Just as the
philosopher [= Plato] in his book on the leadership of the state [= The
Republic] assigns this to sages, the lust for power and mastery to
another class and to tillers of the soil the lust for servitude and
domination. Accordingly the word Canaan comes from the Hebrew word
surrender (hachna'ah), as I have explained that animal life serves the
good life and surrenders to intellectual life. Ham is so called both
because his heart grew hot [ham = hot in Hebrew] within him to pursue
his lusts or because he is as dark (shahor) and ugly (mecho'ar) as a
black (cushi) in complexion and feature and qualities, signifying the
opposite of Japheth who is fine of form and conduct. ... And you shall
see how the qualities of the three ancestors are found in the nations
that sprang from them: thus from Ham come Cush and Egypt and Phot and
Canaan all of whom to this day are ugly in appearance, dark (shehorot)
in form as a raven, awash in lust and drawn to animal pleasures, lacking
intelligence and knowledge and statesmanship and the qualities of virtue
and heroism. ... It follows that the three sons of Noah each displayed
the interest and the character of one of the three ways of life, and
their issue followed in their footsteps and had their qualities."





Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:04 am

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