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Julius Evola and The 'Independent Theosophical Association of Rome'   Message List  
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Re: [evola_as_he_is] Evola and Nietzsche

It is ultimately very Nietzschean to disagree with Nietzsche, so paradoxically it is actually a far greater credit to Nietzsche that Evola plays by providing a critique of his philosophy rather than by blandly accepting it.
 
Indeed, Tantrism is for the most part absent of Nietzsche's 'naturalism', it is however, also a religion primarily based on power in this world, and this reality, as it is the only esoteric pathway (of which I am aware at least) that enables one to achieve enlightenment in this life, and not any assumed after-life. It also uses similar sentiments as Nietzsche by using the terms 'Beast' and 'Herd Animal' as terms denoting to the lesser spiritually developed. Both are philosophies based on elitism. Tantra, in some forms is also non-theistic, which is also found in Nietzsche.


evola_as_he_is <evola_as_he_is@...> wrote:

As early as 1925 in 'L'individuo e il divenire del mondo', an
implicit reference was made by Evola to Nietzsche : "The I,
basically, is not a thing, a 'fact', but essentially a deep centre of
will-to-power". The same year, another important writing inspired by
the philosophy of Nietzsche was published, as 'Dioniso', in
Reghini's 'Ignis', and which summarised a lecture made by Evola,
within the framework of the group of the paper 'Ultra', under the
title 'Nietzsche e la Sapienza dei Misteri'. In that youth writing,
the German philosopher is seen as an emblematic representative of one
of the possible forms of irreligiosity, that which, towards the
reality of chaos and of the irrational, does not appeal to
transcendence. It is the Dionysian path, the 'will-to-power''s. To
Evola, it is a matter of establishing that the Dionysian path, if it
is right in rejecting merely devotional religiosity, is wrong insofar
as it regresses to a 'naturalistic' horizon. On this basis, Evola
could criticise Nietzsche for not being able to develop a "real
overcoming of the order of nature", while 'Nature' can only be
referred to a 'Principle', to a 'cause' of a metaphysical character,
which is defined by the term of 'Power'. This is the main criticism
which Evola always made of Nietzsche's 'Dionysianism' throughout his
life, from the chapter of 'Heidnischer Imperialismus' which he
dedicated to the German philosopher to 'L'equivoco
dell'irrazionalismo' (1936 - in 'Il Regime fascista'), at a time when
he was still deeply involved in Tantric studies. If Evola noticed the
philosophical similarities between some of Nietzsche's works and
Tantrism, he didn't elaborate on this, not even in 'The Yoga of
Power'. The fact is that, if those similarities you point out exist,
yet there is nothing 'naturalistic' about Tantric teachings.



Three heavens there are; two Savitar's, adjacent:
In Yama's world is one, home of heroes.
As on a linch-pin, firm, rest things immortal:
He who hath known it, let him here declare it.
 
- Rig Veda I.35 (Griffith)

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The 'Independent Theosophical Association of Rome' was established in 1897 by two groups of Roman Theosophists which existed since 1895 over a lending library...
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Did not Theosophy in general, attract many ladies due to the presence of Madame Blavatsky? There seems to be a qualitative judgement formed by women, that if...
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Dec 29, 2005
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As early as 1925 in 'L'individuo e il divenire del mondo', an implicit reference was made by Evola to Nietzsche : "The I, basically, is not a thing, a 'fact',...
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It is ultimately very Nietzschean to disagree with Nietzsche, so paradoxically it is actually a far greater credit to Nietzsche that Evola plays by providing a...
Savitar Devi
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Dec 31, 2005
9:37 am

... I read Nietzsche as emphasizing `the reality of chaos and of the irrational' not as a `ground' to replace the nihilistic otherworldly fictions of...
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Alain Danielou links Shiva (male Tantric essence) directly with Dionysus in his work 'Gods of Love and Ecstasy'. If one reads it though, they should be aware...
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Jan 1, 2006
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At this point, it may not be a luxury to say a few words about Nietzsche's views on woman. To do this, a convenient starting point is given to us by the...
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Interesting, I was not aware of that statement in the 'Unpublished Notebooks'. Maya, is of course also a woman - at once the demon architect, and the essence...
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Jan 4, 2006
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... More, directly from his works. "Man should be trained for war and woman for the recreation of the warrior : all else is folly..." (Thus Spake Zarathustra,...
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What about this little extract? 'Will and willingness - Someone took a youth to a sage and said: "Look, he is being corrupted by women." The sage shook his...
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One should not have a fixation about the figure of the Nietzschean 'Superman', indeed. Spengler - if we are not mistaken, it was him - rightly noted that,...
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That professor who coined the potent expression 'anti-Nazi sex-shop literature' to describe everything which is linked with the caricatural representation of...
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It doesn't look like Theosophy attracted many ladies due to the presence of Blavatsky. Her early followers, as you suspect, were mostly males, at least in...
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Your theory on the charity movement is interesting. I had once heard that the rise of feminism was linked with the philosophy of John Stuart Mill; however I...
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Jan 1, 2006
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The description you make of Baudelaire can be applied to thousands of other men, to hundreds of other artists, whose work, however, was not quoted in...
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Firstly, before continuing my problem with the inclusion of Baudelaire with the other writers cited, I must proclaim that I was at one, time an avid fan of...
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