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In ancient Rome, 'religion' was indissociable from race : "This
religion could be propagated only by generation. The father, in
giving life to his son, gave him at the same time his creed, his
worship, the right to continue the sacred fire, to offer the funeral
meal, to pronounce the formula of prayers. Generation established a
mysterious bond between the infant, who was born to life, and all the
gods of the family. Indeed, these gods were his family - theoi
eggeneis ; they were of his blood - theoi sunaimoi" (Fustel de
Coulanges). This "domestic religion was transmitted only from male to
male". No one ever 'converted' to the Roman religion. No one would
have been allowed to do it. W don't think that we are going too far
in saying that it wouldn't even have occurred to anyone to 'convert'
to it, nor would it have occurred to any Roman to let anyone convert
to it. The same thing applied to any other 'religion' in the Nordic-
Aryan world.

Religion started to dissociate from race with the coming of
Christianity, for which, as is well-known, "Here there is no Greek or
Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or
free, but Christ is all, and is in all". From then on, any kind of
conversion became possible. In this respect, Christianity can be
considered both as a consequence and as a cause : as a consequence,
because, as is also well-known, most of those who converted to it in
the beginning were people without racial background, with neither
hearth nor home, namely the dregs of Roman society, for whom belief,
feelings, devotion took the upper hand on rites which they didn't
have and whose meaning and rôle they couldn't understand. As a cause,
because it contributed to the increasing spiritual uprooting of those
who converted to it.

Nowadays, religion is a matter of personal choice to a large extent,
in a sense that, if, at birth, one is assigned de facto the religion
of one's parents, one can change religion, at will, later. In the
modern world, there is even an increase in conversions, not only of
Westerners to Islam, Buddhism, and so on, but also, for instance,
(mass) conversions of Hindus to Buddhism, etc.
Basically, 'conversion' seems to be the key-word of today, both in
the religious field and at the stock-exchange. Not to mention re-
conversion, multi-conversion, and - let's put it this way - pluri-
conversion, of which Guénon showed us an example, by embracing Sufism
as he was still a Catholic, if it is true that, to be initiated to
Sufism, one needs to convert to Islam first ( we have asked various
people who are supposed to be qualified to confirm or to infirm it,
but we only got vague and inconclusive answers).

It doesn't mean that that personal choice is always dictated by
contingent and superficial reasons. After all, it may be that, by
converting, for instance, to Islam, the Westerners who do it only
yield to the call of their race of the soul and/or of their race of
the spirit, which, in their case, is of a Semitic nature.

Another clue is given by Evola in this respect in 'Presentation of
the Jewish problem', when he points out, with respect to the Jew,
that "the persistence of an idea, of an attitude, of a belief through
generations ends up finding expression in an instinct, in something
which penetrates into the blood, lives and acts in the blood, and, in
many cases, completely irrespective of everything that the
individual, as reflexive consciousness, thinks and believes he wants".




--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "kshonan88" <kshonan88@y...>
wrote:
>
> Is religion genetic? or at the least survive as memes? Or is it
> completely a matter of choice?
>
> If from a long line of descendants of one religion, one of them
> suddenly switches to another, can we say he still has the blood of
the
> former religion? In such cases, can religion act as hereditary
markers?
>
> Can religion transform us genetically in any way?
>
> Thank you.
>










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... namely, the 'degree of ... If some sub-species ('races') have ... then this would be a result of the ... But why does that have to be an inverse relation? ...
kshonan88 Offline Send Email Dec 4, 2005
8:31 pm

In ancient Rome, 'religion' was indissociable from race : "This religion could be propagated only by generation. The father, in giving life to his son, gave...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 4, 2005
5:24 pm

... through generations ends up finding expression in an instinct, in something ... in ... wants". Thank you for all the excerpts and your views. I recalled...
kshonan88 Offline Send Email Dec 4, 2005
8:31 pm

I I am inclined to agree that religion and race would be associated on some level. Along similar lines, I have begun speculating that if the corruption of...
Savitar Devi
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Dec 4, 2005
10:11 pm

I wonder if a lack of faith and the concomitant growth of materialism can also be attributed to a certain race? And what about the Zoroastrian religion, which...
Troy Southgate
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Dec 5, 2005
9:34 am

Zoroastrian - I'm afraid you have found my academic Achille's Heel; I know sadly little of that religion I am afraid. Is Ahriman and Ahura Mazda part of that...
Savitar Devi
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Dec 6, 2005
9:42 am

yes, well on those terms, you have no argument against the jews, who have developed from whatever heterogenous genetic basis an equally exclusive cult of...
Rowan Berkeley
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Dec 4, 2005
6:37 pm

"It is in the nature of fire to burn, and yet no one sensible will blame the fire for burning ; the fact remains nonetheless that those who do not want to be...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 4, 2005
6:50 pm

But again like so many of Evola's clichés this one sounds good but contains no actual data. It is the nature of fire to burn, of water to moisten, etcetera,...
Rowan Berkeley
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Dec 4, 2005
7:38 pm

Wasn't it you who, a few days ago, condescended to draw our attention to the fact that "'Cruor' is by definition indemonstrable" and, not content with this,...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 4, 2005
7:53 pm

An unfortunate misunderstanding has been propagated on the Internet based on a misreading of a passage of “Heidnischer Imperialismus”. On page 252 of the...
Tony Ciopa
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Dec 6, 2005
9:42 am

Some people tend to assume that "fatti ed opere dipotenza e di veggenza" don't exist and are mere 'fantasies', because those people are devoid of any "potenza"...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 6, 2005
11:16 am

I never even mentioned the existence of a “rough draft”, both because it seemed to me to be a private matter never intended for publication and also ...
Tony Ciopa
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Dec 7, 2005
9:15 am

It reads "affermiano", but we corrected spontaneously that typographical mistake in our previous message. In Italian, personal pronouns are not always...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 7, 2005
1:00 pm

Well, sometimes it's difficult to gain an insight into the Evola's mind. I do not have got the German version, but the incriminated Italian word is "veggenza";...
vandermok
charltonroad36 Offline Send Email
Dec 6, 2005
11:16 am

'Veggenza' is one of those Italian words which are extremely difficult to translate into English. Its synonyms in Italian are (needless to translate) :...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 6, 2005
11:59 am

I agree that the translation could be less florid, Tony, but it is the underlying thoughts I question : (1) the idea that there is a special spiritual heritage...
Rowan Berkeley
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Dec 6, 2005
11:16 am

You still haven't understood the spirit of this list. The welcome message says : "Not a moment of our time will be wasted upon the "demon of dialectics",...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 6, 2005
4:31 pm

In the most authoritative Italian dictionaries like the Zingarelli, the term 'veggenza' is in fact considered the archaic form of the modern 'chiaroveggenza',...
vandermok
charltonroad36 Offline Send Email
Dec 6, 2005
1:05 pm

To try to put this to rest, Garzanti has this definition of “veggenza”: 1 (rar.) facoltà di vedere 2 (fig.) capacità di prevedere il futuro: la veggenza...
Tony Ciopa
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Dec 6, 2005
4:24 pm

We could discourse for hours, for days, for months, on how to translate accurately 'veggenza' into English, basing ourselves either on "one of the most...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 6, 2005
4:27 pm

re : "'clairvoyance', which, in English, means 'perceptiveness', 'clear-sightedness'. Yet, the English 'clairvoyance' renders quite well the idea, as 'esp',...
Rowan Berkeley
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Dec 6, 2005
1:25 pm

I believe, Tony, you did not intend to stir up a nest of hornets; anyway just a little addition. The whole chapter has a series of plural verbs: affermiamo,...
vandermok
charltonroad36 Offline Send Email
Dec 7, 2005
12:50 pm

To be more specific, both 'Imperialismo pagano' and 'Heidnischer Imperialismus' have five chapters, of which four bear the same title : I. 'We, anti-Europeans'...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 7, 2005
4:21 pm

I' m sorry today you are all in a black mood, anyway, to me, it is better to express frankly and loyally our ideas rather than do it slipping away to another...
vandermok
charltonroad36 Offline Send Email
Dec 7, 2005
5:23 pm

Instead of trying to evade them by referring, in the most detached manner, to the current mood of the members of this forum, or rather to what you assume their...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 7, 2005
7:19 pm

Some sort of detached metaphysical vision, not religious or mystic, without any identification with the object, a knowledge deprived of the pathos of the...
vandermok
charltonroad36 Offline Send Email
Dec 7, 2005
8:08 pm

Your reactions are exactly the same as those of the religious dogmatists I correspond with : we possess the mystic flame, love us or leave us, and if you...
Rowan Berkeley
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Dec 4, 2005
8:34 pm

We grasp this opportunity you have given us to point at other significant differences between pre-Christian cults of Aryan nature and Christianity, already...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 5, 2005
2:03 pm

oh, come on, what is the idea of aryanism if not a dogma? ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get?...
Rowan Berkeley
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Dec 5, 2005
4:17 pm
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