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Re: [evola_as_he_is] Evola, Nietzsche, Baudelaire, and the 'Woman Question'

Interesting, I was not aware of that statement in the 'Unpublished Notebooks'.
 
Maya, is of course also a woman - at once the demon architect, and the essence of illusion, and it is maya that keeps one bound to samsara. Some would say that shakti is maya also. Dionysus, of course is also the god of masks and theatre, so that does explicitly relate to drama and facades. All truths and unveilings are unpleasant, unless one adopts the role of a voyeur.
 
On an not entirely unrelated note, I fully agree with Evola that
'women in jeans are a disgrace' - is not that just a thinly veiled principle of cross dressing at work here, and even worse, cross dressing as a shudra? Jeans are the standard dress of the male worker, so I don't see why anyone would be surprised to see him shudder at a woman in such attire.
 
 
 
evola_as_he_is <evola_as_he_is@...> wrote:

At this point, it may not be a luxury to say a few words about
Nietzsche's views on woman. To do this, a convenient starting point
is given to us by the preface of an anthology of aphorisms by the
German philosopher published in 1990 by Editions du Rocher.

Three different positions on woman are expressed in Nietzsche's work :

The first resumes the classical thesis according to which woman is
lie, sham, seduction, game, deceit. That thesis is the Platonic one,
in the name of truth as 'mimete' - identity to oneself. According to
it, woman is non-truth, and, as such, disparaged by Platonism.

However, woman has been, still in a Platonising manner, idealised,
sublimed, overestimated. The 'idea', Nietzsche says in the 'Twilight
of the Idols', has become woman, that is to say that
the 'elusive', 'specious' character of woman has been attributed to
truth, and that the latter, as well as woman, becomes a constantly
postponed promise, a background, as is the Kantian idea which can be
reached only in an indefinite asymptote. The Kantian postulate is a
feminisation of truth. Woman is kept at a distance, as is truth,
inaccessible, in this world.

Finally, woman is identified with life as a Dionysian, destructive
and creative power in which appearance is truth, and the whole game
of masks or simply of phenomenon doesn't refer to any final
revelation. The masculine impulse to unveil, to see, the metaphysic-
scientific desire to penetrate things thoroughly is the mistake par
excellence. To love appearance, surface, which does not refer to any
inside, is an assertive position, of which she has the secret.

The moderns, by emancipating woman, have destroyed the most precious
thing about her : the 'eternal feminine'. It is not so much the
emancipation of woman as its consequent masculinisation which made
her lost this eternal feminine. It is likely to be an illusion. "The
eternal feminine is a purely illusory value in which man is the only
one to believe". By letting it be destroyed, woman could loose her
power. By becoming like man, she looses her mystery and her
authority, not to mention her instincts.

To regain that influence within society and at home, woman must
regain her fundamental instincts, which a masculine civilisation has
tried to dull and to weaken.

Leaving aside that Nietzsche doesn't seem to have fully realised that
woman emancipation could not have occurred without a prior
feminisation of man, or rather of the leading masculine type, it is
easy to realise why none of those positions held Evola's attention,
whether in 'Metaphysics of Sex' or in his other writings on woman and
sexuality, and why the agnostic conception on which the second is
based and which refers to the need to dismiss transcendent values in
the name of 'Life' and of a Dionysian Becoming in the context of
the 'revaluation of values' couldn't but be criticised by him in
other writings.

Of course, on the other hand, Nietzsche was a fine expert in feminine
psychology : "To love intelligent women is the pleasure of a
pederast" ; "Woman is natural, that is to say, abominable ; also, she
is always vulgar, that is to say, the opposite of the dandy". Now,
those two excerpts from his 'Unpublished Notebooks' are all the more
remarkable as they are nothing else than the literal translation of
two aphorisms by Baudelaire : "Aimer les femmes intelligentes est un
plaisir de pédérastes" ; "La femme est naturelle, c'est-à-dire
abominable. Aussi est-elle toujours vulgaire, c'est-à-dire le
contraire du dandy" ('Mon coeur mis à nu'), something which doesn't
seem to have been noticed either by Baudelairian critique or by
Nietzschean critique.

And last but no least, a few other 'fusées', which have no cause to
be jealous of aphorisms much praised by Schuon and Evola, Wilde's :

"Dieu est le seul être qui, pour régner, n'ait même pas besoin
d'exister".

"Ce qui est créé par l'esprit est plus vivant que la matière".

"L'amour, c'est le goût de la prostitution. Il n'est même pas de
plaisir noble qui puisse être ramené à la Prostitution".









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The 'Independent Theosophical Association of Rome' was established in 1897 by two groups of Roman Theosophists which existed since 1895 over a lending library...
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Did not Theosophy in general, attract many ladies due to the presence of Madame Blavatsky? There seems to be a qualitative judgement formed by women, that if...
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Dec 29, 2005
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As early as 1925 in 'L'individuo e il divenire del mondo', an implicit reference was made by Evola to Nietzsche : "The I, basically, is not a thing, a 'fact',...
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It is ultimately very Nietzschean to disagree with Nietzsche, so paradoxically it is actually a far greater credit to Nietzsche that Evola plays by providing a...
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Dec 31, 2005
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... I read Nietzsche as emphasizing `the reality of chaos and of the irrational' not as a `ground' to replace the nihilistic otherworldly fictions of...
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Alain Danielou links Shiva (male Tantric essence) directly with Dionysus in his work 'Gods of Love and Ecstasy'. If one reads it though, they should be aware...
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Jan 1, 2006
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At this point, it may not be a luxury to say a few words about Nietzsche's views on woman. To do this, a convenient starting point is given to us by the...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jan 3, 2006
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Interesting, I was not aware of that statement in the 'Unpublished Notebooks'. Maya, is of course also a woman - at once the demon architect, and the essence...
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Jan 4, 2006
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... More, directly from his works. "Man should be trained for war and woman for the recreation of the warrior : all else is folly..." (Thus Spake Zarathustra,...
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What about this little extract? 'Will and willingness - Someone took a youth to a sage and said: "Look, he is being corrupted by women." The sage shook his...
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Jan 5, 2006
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One should not have a fixation about the figure of the Nietzschean 'Superman', indeed. Spengler - if we are not mistaken, it was him - rightly noted that,...
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That professor who coined the potent expression 'anti-Nazi sex-shop literature' to describe everything which is linked with the caricatural representation of...
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It doesn't look like Theosophy attracted many ladies due to the presence of Blavatsky. Her early followers, as you suspect, were mostly males, at least in...
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Your theory on the charity movement is interesting. I had once heard that the rise of feminism was linked with the philosophy of John Stuart Mill; however I...
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Jan 1, 2006
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The description you make of Baudelaire can be applied to thousands of other men, to hundreds of other artists, whose work, however, was not quoted in...
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Firstly, before continuing my problem with the inclusion of Baudelaire with the other writers cited, I must proclaim that I was at one, time an avid fan of...
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