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  • evola_as_he_is
    After Karl Haushofer, Heinrich Himmler, and Adolf Hitler, other historical figures and groups suspected of occultism are examined by Dr Hakl : Alfred
    Message 1 of 10 , Sep 29, 2005
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      After Karl Haushofer, Heinrich Himmler, and Adolf Hitler, other
      historical figures and groups suspected of occultism are examined by
      Dr Hakl : Alfred Rosenberg, Rudolf Hess, Dietrich Eckart, Rudolf
      Sebottendorf and the Thule Society, Friedrich Hielscher, Ignàcz
      Trebitsch-Lincoln, The Vril Society, The Lodge of the Brothers of
      Light and the Society of the Green Dragon, Dr. Ernst Schäfer, Otto
      Rahn, Aleister Crowley, and Ariosophy.

      From their respective biographies and the documentation consulted by
      Dr Hakl on each of those personalities, it appears that none of them
      had an occult influence on National Socialism. Either occultism was a
      matter of private interest unrelated to their political position
      (Hess, especially interested in astrology and astrological
      prophecies ; Rahn, in the Cathar movement), or their occult
      reputation is based on untrustworthy literature (Eckart,
      Sebottendorf) or on their interest in the things of spirit in the
      broadest sense (Hielscher "founded a most eccentric 'church' which he
      promoted, alongside his philosophical pretences, with great
      missionary zeal" ; Ignàcz Trebitsch-Lincoln was very keen on
      Buddhism ; Eckart developed a Christian mysticism tinged with racism
      and had a deep knowledge of Theosophy and occultism in general). As
      far as Crowley is concerned, there are no proofs of a meeting between
      Hitler and him ; we may add, no proofs either that the former ever
      read his work. Rosenberg's deep interest in Meister Eckart cannot
      reasonably be seen as a proof of any involvement in the occult ; it
      is more related to his mysticism of race, in that he saw in Meister
      Eckart a first combatant of pure German thought. As for Dr. Ernst
      Schäfer and the exact circumstances of his expedition to Tibet, we
      are referred to a most interesting book by Michael
      Kater, 'Das "Ahnenerbe" des SS' (see supra) : "We find there that the
      involvement of the SS didn't go further than participation in the
      expenses. Kater also writes that it was military information, not
      relating so much to Tibet as to the Caucasus, which was the key
      purpose. Himmler, once an expert in agriculture, hoped that this
      expedition would yield information concerning supplies of animal and
      vegetable substances, something which was important owing to
      Germany's acute lack of means of subsistence. Schäfer himself was
      concerned primarily with historical research regarding the animal
      world. A quotation from the report of his expedition should establish
      its purely scientific character : "During the past years, prospects
      have opened up for a large group of charlatans in the field of
      research on Asia. In this respect, Tibet can be seen as a model,
      since even the name of that elevated and secluded country is
      surrounded by a nimbus of magic and secrecy ... Many scientific
      specialists often lack the critical sense and the real insight to
      check this worthless drivel ... As for us, however, we have sought to
      look at bare reality face to face..."

      Vril is a term from a science-fiction novel by Edward Bulwer-Lytton
      called 'Vril : The Power of the Coming Race' and published in 1870 ;
      yet, the notion of the 'vril' was first mentioned in the books of the
      French writer Jacolliot, French Consul in Calcutta under the Second
      Empire. In Bulwer-Lytton's novel, Vril is a mysterious form of energy
      possessed by extremely powerful subterranean beings. Various authors,
      among them Bergier and Pauwels, have claimed that the Vril
      Gesellschaft existed in the Third Reich as an inner core of the Thule
      Gesellschaft : its aim was to get hold of the secret knowledge of
      this so-called subterranean race in order to make the Teutonic
      peoples the rulers of the world.

      These are Dr Hakl's conclusions on The Vril Society, The Lodge of the
      Brothers of Light and the Society of the Green Dragon (the
      Society/Order of the Green Dragon, popularised by Teddy Legrand
      in 'La Guerre des cerveaux - Les sept têtes du dragon vert', 1933,
      and then by Jean Markale in 'L'Enigme des vampires', Pygmalion, 1991,
      is not to be mistaken, contrary to what the latter would like us to
      do, for the Order of the Dragon, created in 1408 by Sigismond of
      Luxemburg, king of Hungary, for the defence of the Holy Roman Church
      against the Turk, and which Vlad Tepes II, and, later, his son,
      joined) : "There are no reports confirmed from the historical
      standpoint, or documentary proofs, for those groups, as there are for
      the Thule Society. For the Vril Society there is a vague hint, which
      comes from Dr Willy Ley, the specialist in missiles who emigrated to
      the USA. But even if those societies did really exist, this doesn't
      imply in any way that they had any concrete power, or that they were
      involved in the origin of National Socialism." This hint, given by Dr
      Ley to Bergier and Pauwels as they were researching for 'The Morning
      of the Magicians', is as follows : "This secret society was founded,
      literally, on Bulwer Lytton's novel the Coming Race (1871). The book
      describes a race of men psychically far in advance of our own. They
      have acquired powers over themselves and over things that made them
      almost godlike. For the moment they are in hiding. They are said to
      live in caves in the center of the Earth. Soon they will emerge to
      reign over us." In 'Aufbruch ins dritte Jahrtausend : von der Zukunft
      der phantastischen Vernunft' (1967), Pauwels and Bergier gave a so-
      called account of the society, but failed to explain clearly whether
      it was fact or fiction.

      The Vril Gesellschaft is claimed to have been the first German
      nationalist group to use the symbol of the swastika as an emblem.
      Guido von List, one of the two leading figures of Ariosophy with Lanz
      von Liebenfels, also used the swastika, which he considered as an
      occult symbol of salvation, representing the victory of the Aryans
      over the inferior races. Now, in 'Mein Kampf', the swastika is
      depicted as symbolising " the mission of the struggle for the victory
      of the Aryan man, and (...) the victory of the idea of creative work,
      which as such always has been and always will be anti-Semitic". In
      the same way, it cannot be denied that von List's Ario-Germanic ideal
      state is closely akin to Hitler's National Socialist state. However,
      Dr Hakl focused on Lanz von Liebenfels, to conclude, on the basis of
      Wilfried Daim's book, 'Der Mann, der Hitler die Ideen gab', which
      describes the influence which Lanz von Liebenfels had on Hitler, that
      it cannot be claimed that "Lanz von Liebenfels, or Ariosophy, which
      derives from his writings, was the only force which underlay National
      Socialism", but only that "here almost the whole National Socialist
      system was anticipated". While it has not been established whether or
      not Hitler had a personal contact with the Guido von List Society
      during the years he spent in Vienna from 1907-1913 and it would be
      dicey to assume that he had from his emphasising in 'Mein Kampf' that
      it was in Vienna, where The List Society was influential in the
      numerous occult circles which supported völkisch nationalism and anti-
      Semitism, that he established "a world picture and a philosophy which
      became the granite foundation" of all his actions, Liebenfels claimed
      that Hitler visited him in 1909 to get some back issues of 'Ostara',
      a magazine by means of which the former spread his racial views and
      which was subtitled "Library of Those Who are Blond and Defend the
      Rights of the Male" (see Joachim Fest, 'Hitler'). In 'Der Mann, der
      Hitler die Ideen gab', Daim quoted an excerpt of a letter from
      Liebenfels in 1932 to one of the members of the Order of the New
      Templars which he had established in the early 1900's to spread
      Ariosophist doctrines : "Do you know that Hitler is one of our
      pupils? You will still live to see that he, and thereby we also, will
      triumph and kindle a movement that will make the world tremble." Did
      Liebenfels exaggerate his own significance, as we have seen that many
      personalities did, among them Sebottendorf, in claiming that his own
      doctrine was of great importance to the founding of Hitler's National
      Socialist movement? Considering what Hitler's racial theory and
      Ariosophist racial theory have in common, and that
      Hitler's "formative years" took place in the atmosphere of a Vienna
      which was suffused with esoteric doctrines, it cannot be ruled out
      that von Liebenfels' and von List's thought exercised a
      certain "formative" influence on his Weltanschauung. Now, can this
      Weltanschauung be considered as an occult one in the sense which is
      given by Dr Hakl to this term?

      Finally, it should be obvious that it would not be reasonable to
      tackle the question of the influences exercised, consciously or
      unconsciously, on a statesman, in the same way as one looks at
      literary or scientific influences.
    • vandermok@adsllight
      Since I remember once you were considering the idea of Guénon that a creditable initiatory organisation does not leave tracks of its real activities, now
      Message 2 of 10 , Sep 29, 2005
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        Since I remember once you were considering the idea of Guénon that a creditable initiatory organisation does not leave tracks of its real activities, now there is just a tiny gleam: or an occult Nazism never existed or.....it was a true occult initiatory organisation.   
      • evola_as_he_is
        You sort of pulled the rug out from under our feet. This judicious statement by Guénon was supposed to be the conclusion of our presentation of Unknown
        Message 3 of 10 , Sep 30, 2005
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          You sort of pulled the rug out from under our feet. This judicious
          statement by Guénon was supposed to be the conclusion of our
          presentation of 'Unknown Sources'. Was it what Dr Hakl had in mind
          when he acknowledged, at the beginning of the third part of his
          essay : "Of course, none of the opinions or facts mentioned here
          entitle us to state absolutely that there wasn't some sort of occult
          guidance behind Hitler and of National Socialism, even if only on a
          higher (or deeper) plane. To discuss this we would have to address a
          pure spiritual plane, which escapes historical research". He
          adds : "We would arrive at the difficult possibility of a secret
          which is so obscure that it is not even known by its bearer."
          Naturally, the possibility of a secret that is known by its bearer is
          less difficult. Whether or not this secret is known by its bearer,
          the fact remains that Dr Hakl draws the consequence of his
          premises : "But if we accept that secret and occult forces may have
          contributed, even if only tangentially, to National Socialism, we
          cannot limit the significance of such 'guidance' to National
          Socialism, we must apply the same argument to the whole of world
          history." In this reference to "world history" in this context, as
          anyone has noticed, there is something of an implicit acknowledgement
          of what Evola and de Poncins called The 'Occult war'.



          --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "vandermok@a..."
          <vandermok@l...> wrote:
          > Since I remember once you were considering the idea of Guénon that
          a creditable initiatory organisation does not leave tracks of its
          real activities, now there is just a tiny gleam: or an occult Nazism
          never existed or.....it was a true occult initiatory organisation.
        • vandermok@adsllight
          The level on which we set that Occult War is probably the heart of the matter, for not making blunders by reading history only on the surface. For example:
          Message 4 of 10 , Sep 30, 2005
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            The level on which we set that Occult War is probably the heart of the matter, for not making blunders by reading history only on the surface. 
            For example: recently, in a forum, an American sent to "Italian comrades" a panegyric on the heroes Garibaldi and Mussolini. Unfortunately the first one was Great Master of the Masonry of Memphis and Misraim, that he unified at the Jewish New Year Day (autumn equinox 1881), while Mussolini (apart from Hitler) desired to shut down the lodges..... 
             
             
            In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com evola_as_he_is wrote:
             
            You sort of pulled the rug out from under our feet. This judicious
            statement by Guénon was supposed to be the conclusion of our
            presentation of 'Unknown Sources'. Was it what Dr Hakl had in mind
            when he acknowledged, at the beginning of the third part of his
            essay : "Of course, none of the opinions or facts mentioned here
            entitle us to state absolutely that there wasn't some sort of occult
            guidance behind Hitler and of National Socialism, even if only on a
            higher (or deeper) plane. To discuss this we would have to address a
            pure spiritual plane, which escapes historical research". He
            adds : "We would arrive at the difficult possibility of a secret
            which is so obscure that it is not even known by its bearer."
            Naturally, the possibility of a secret that is known by its bearer is
            less difficult. Whether or not this secret is known by its bearer,
            the fact remains that Dr Hakl draws the consequence of his
            premises : "But if we accept that secret and occult forces may have
            contributed, even if only tangentially, to National Socialism, we
            cannot limit the significance of such 'guidance' to National
            Socialism, we must apply the same argument to the whole of world
            history." In this reference to "world history" in this context, as
            anyone has noticed, there is something of an implicit acknowledgement
            of what Evola and de Poncins called The 'Occult war'.



            --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "vandermok@a..."
            <vandermok@l...> wrote:
            > Since I remember once
            you were considering the idea of Guénon that
            a creditable initiatory organisation does not leave tracks of its
            real activities, now there is just a tiny gleam: or an occult Nazism
            never existed or.....it was a true occult initiatory organisation.




          • evola_as_he_is
            In fact, our point was that very few historians are willing to take into consideration what Evola and de Poncins called the occult war . Given the education
            Message 5 of 10 , Oct 2, 2005
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              In fact, our point was that very few historians are willing to take
              into consideration what Evola and de Poncins called the "occult war".
              Given the education of current historians, it doesn't come as a
              surprise ; and even if some managed to slip through the net of
              democratic higher education, were sensitive to that 'third-
              dimensional' history, and had the right points of reference to study
              it adequately, they know that their superiors, unknown or known,
              would not forgive them for publishing the results of their work On
              the other hand, conspiratologists such as those to whom we have
              referred, who, whether deliberately or not, contribute generously to
              discredit this "science", as Evola called it, seem to be encouraged
              to swamp the market with their esoteric novels.

              As for those Italians who refer both to Garibaldi and to Mussolini to
              exalt the greatness of their fatherland, there is no doubt that they
              have little to do with the type of man for whom books such as 'Ride
              the Tiger' and 'Orientamenti' were cut out ; nor with the right-wing
              youngster at which 'Messagio alla gioventù' ('Message to the youth'),
              a potent summary, published in 1950 in the first (and only) issue of
              a paper called 'I Nostagici', of the powerful 'eleven points'
              of 'Orientamenti', was aimed. Neither Mussolini's Italy nor
              Garibaldi's Italy could suit the bearer of the Roman-Nordic tradition
              Evola was : the latter, because, as superabundantly shown, it was a
              creature of the same Masonic forces which stirred up nationalist
              revolutions in all European monarchies in the XIXth century ; the
              former, because it was not up to the counter-revolutionary principles
              and the traditional Roman values it displayed. Fascism, which was
              originally a 'bourgeois' revolution, was not able to free itself of
              its old demons. In particular, The Fascist movement, founded in 1919,
              counted many Freemasons among its first members ; Freemasons were
              attracted to Fascism because of its anticlericalism and its will to
              form a "new Italian man". It is only subsequently, in the course of
              the transformation of Fascism as a movement into Fascism as a regime,
              that their relations deteriorated. 'Secret societies' were outlawed
              by Mussolini in 1925, following what anti-Masonic violences took
              place in Italy ; yet, persecution against Freemasons was not
              systematic : Pope Pius XI even criticised the Fascist regime for
              being "too soft" on them. Basically, Freemasons played a not
              insignificant rôle throughout Fascism. In any case, the relations
              between Fascism and Freemasonry were complex, as shown by various
              Italian historians, among whom Renzo di Felice.

              This can help us to understand why, just as some Russian nationalists
              can see in Soviet Russia the continuation of 'Eternal Russia', some
              Italian nationalists can consider Mussolini and Garibaldi as bearers
              of the Italian tradition ; not to mention that, just after the fall
              of Rome, Mussolini punctuated an article published in 'Corrispondenza
              Repubblicana', in which he lamented the fact that troops composed of
              Negroes paraded under the arches and in the streets of that city
              which was built to exalt the glory of ancient and modern Rome, with
              Garibaldi's famous call : "Rome or death!'.

              "In Italy too Risorgimento liberalism turned into nationalism, the
              motto of Garibaldi's troops was not "long live universal suffrage",
              but "Rome or death" (...). Everywhere in Europe, "nation" became the
              crystallisation point of certain values : tradition as opposed to
              levelling, national discipline as opposed to universal excitation,
              military honour as opposed to the International… nationalism… kept
              alive military impulse, colonialist pioneerism, without which
              European peoples would have faded away a long time ago". Believe it
              or not, the one who wrote these lines, and who, on the other hand,
              criticised pre-Revolutionary legitimism, was none other than Adriano
              Romualdi, who is considered as one of the first Italian evolians and
              who, as a matter of fact, wrote the first analysis of Evola's work.

              This shows how right Evola was to emphasise the fundamental question
              of the 'vocations' and of the 'choice of traditions', which he
              brought up in several works, among which 'Sintesi di dottrina della
              razza'.




              --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "vandermok@a..."
              <vandermok@l...> wrote:
              > The level on which we set that Occult War is probably the heart of
              the matter, for not making blunders by reading history only on the
              surface.
              > For example: recently, in a forum, an American sent to "Italian
              comrades" a panegyric on the heroes Garibaldi and Mussolini.
              Unfortunately the first one was Great Master of the Masonry of
              Memphis and Misraim, that he unified at the Jewish New Year Day
              (autumn equinox 1881), while Mussolini (apart from Hitler) desired to
              shut down the lodges.....
              >
              >
              > In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com evola_as_he_is wrote:
              >
              > You sort of pulled the rug out from under our feet. This judicious
              > statement by Guénon was supposed to be the conclusion of our
              > presentation of 'Unknown Sources'. Was it what Dr Hakl had in mind
              > when he acknowledged, at the beginning of the third part of his
              > essay : "Of course, none of the opinions or facts mentioned here
              > entitle us to state absolutely that there wasn't some sort of
              occult
              > guidance behind Hitler and of National Socialism, even if only on a
              > higher (or deeper) plane. To discuss this we would have to address
              a
              > pure spiritual plane, which escapes historical research". He
              > adds : "We would arrive at the difficult possibility of a secret
              > which is so obscure that it is not even known by its bearer."
              > Naturally, the possibility of a secret that is known by its bearer
              is
              > less difficult. Whether or not this secret is known by its bearer,
              > the fact remains that Dr Hakl draws the consequence of his
              > premises : "But if we accept that secret and occult forces may have
              > contributed, even if only tangentially, to National Socialism, we
              > cannot limit the significance of such 'guidance' to National
              > Socialism, we must apply the same argument to the whole of world
              > history." In this reference to "world history" in this context, as
              > anyone has noticed, there is something of an implicit
              acknowledgement
              > of what Evola and de Poncins called The 'Occult war'.
              >
              >
              >
              > --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "vandermok@a..."
              > <vandermok@l...> wrote:
              > > Since I remember once you were considering the idea of Guénon
              that
              > a creditable initiatory organisation does not leave tracks of its
              > real activities, now there is just a tiny gleam: or an occult
              Nazism
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              > never existed or.....it was a true occult initiatory organisation.
            • evola_as_he_is
              In the third part of Unknown Sources , Possible Sources of the Nazi Occult Mythology , it is shown that this myth, far from having been invented by Louis
              Message 6 of 10 , Nov 2, 2005
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                In the third part of 'Unknown Sources', 'Possible Sources of the Nazi
                Occult Mythology', it is shown that this myth, far from having been
                invented by Louis Pauwels and Jacques Bergier in 'The Morning of the
                Magicians', originates in the French and English literature of the
                years 1940.

                Leaving aside Kurt van Emsen's 'Adolph Hitler und die Kommenden'
                (1932), in which the first discussion of Hitler as a "mediumnistic-
                demonic personality" occurs, but which Dr. Hakl doesn't consider as
                relevant in those respects since this book "was known only in the
                German speaking world", "the earliest reference to a Hitler guided by
                occult forces" can be found "in the esoteric magazine 'Le Chariot' of
                June 1934. René Kopp, the author of that article, was a Christian
                mystic. Never short of inspiration, the Catholic
                fundamentalist 'Revue Internationale des Sociétés Secrètes", in which
                Evola was once accused of being a 'Satanist', preferred to see in
                Hitler an agent of Masonic lodges.

                Basically, the main part in the 'occultisation' of Hitler was played
                by Rauschning's 'Gespräche mit Hitler', especially by the
                chapter 'White magic and black magic'. As is known, this chapter was
                not in the German edition of 'Gespräche' (1940) but only in the
                French and English ones (1939). Interestingly enough, it appears to
                have been a commissioned book, "apparently written with two French
                journalists by Rauschning who was in financial straits following his
                emigration from Germany in France. Its very dubious documentary value
                has already been pointed out". More precisely, "Rauschning claimed to
                have held many private conversations in his capacity of President of
                the Dantzig Senate and made notes. In point of fact, only four
                conversations can be established beyond all doubt, and Hitler was
                never alone with Rauschning. Fritz Tobias summarizes the position
                caustically: "All these alleged conversations with Hitler were simply
                invented; the contents were concocted after the event"."

                Other works contributed at that time to the 'occultisation' of
                Hitler : still in 1939, a political work by Georges Anquetil, 'Hitler
                conduit le bal', quoted this sentence of Georges Duhamel : "Le Monde
                entier vit désormais dans un état d'excitation démoniaque" ("The
                world now lives in a state of diabolical excitation") ; in E.
                Saby's 'Hitler et les forces occultes' (more exactly : 'Le tyran nazi
                et les forces occultes', L'école addéiste, 1945), the German
                chancellor is described as "the sorcerer's apprentice", as a "student
                of magic", and, in the first chapter, "we are immediately confronted
                with the inevitable swastika and its clockwise or anti-clockwise
                directions: a stock theme in the occult literature (...)" - "the
                author thus distinguishes the swastika (good) from the Sauwastika
                (Nazi)", something which, as rightly stressed by Hakl, has no basis
                in the history of symbols.

                The pieces of so-called evidence gathered by Saby to charge Hitler
                with magical activities are worth mentioning : "his vegetarianism,
                his self-discipline, his artistic development, (...) his magical gaze
                and gestures, and even his love of mountains (...)". It is also
                worth noting that this work was written in a Christian perspective :
                in spite of all those potent magical forces, our brave author sees a
                way out : the union of the courageous Christian forces of France.

                Even if today all this seems ridiculous to serious people, the fact
                is that "it actually contains many ingredients of the Nazi occult
                myth, which - better presented and purged of the more obvious
                nonsense - would sound very convincing for many readers of the latter
                writings". Besides, times have changed : "the idea that Germany has
                been the source of a (predominantly political) conspiracy against the
                civilized world since the Middle Ages" was "current in the 1920's",
                and it was also "widespread in the Anglo-Saxon world", owing to the
                writings of the conspiracy theorist Nesta Webster. Nowadays, it is no
                longer the case. There's no longer any need to divide the main
                European peoples, to oppose, as did the esoteric author Lewis Spencer
                in the early 1940's, "good Britain" and "evil Germany", but, instead,
                to unite them from below under the yoke of forces whose agents
                divided them to cause the two world wars which put Europe on its
                knees. Saby's book has never been published again. A new 'myth', or
                rather a new 'religion', has been fabricated to discredit National
                Socialism and, beyond this, what could be brought back to European
                traditional values in National-Socialism, in the eyes of Western
                masses : that of the so-called 'gas chambers', in which they are
                united mediatically.

                Thus, from this viewpoint, the occult roots of gynaeco-democracy
                still remain to be investigated.

                To go back over the third part of 'Unknown Sources', its issue is
                that "Pauwels and Bergier were not the inventor of the (Nazi occult)
                myth". "To be sure, their book 'The Morning of the Magicians'
                provided the point of departure for a real boom on such literature in
                the whole of Europe and especially in France."

                This is why we find it interesting to trace in Bergier's existential
                career everything which may contribute to explain why he was chosen
                to launch that fashion with Pauwels.

                Bergier, who was used as a model by Hergé for the character of
                professor Esdanitoff in his album 'Flight 714 for Sydney', was born
                in 1914 in one of the main infectious seats of the whole Europe :
                Odessa. He was born in a Jewish family. In 1920, he emigrated with
                his parents to Poland, where he took a deep interest in SF literature
                and in the Kabbalah, to which he was introduced by a rabbi. In 1925,
                to France, where he soon took part in anarchist demonstrations and
                was enthused for Communism. There, he discovered SF American
                magazines, Edgar Rice Burroughs, Abraham Merritt and Jack London
                titillated his imagination, but it is especially by Lovecraft's
                novels that he was fascinated. In 1935, he put a lot into anti-Nazi
                fight, with the support of the German Communist Party. He took to the
                bush in 1940. Arrested, as many other terrorists, by the Gestapo in
                Lyon in 1943, he was deported to a concentration camp in Sarre, then
                transferred to Mauthausen, where he organised a sort of internal
                resistance with a few other prisoners, of whom Gregory Fedorov,
                future successor of Beria in the Soviet Union. After the war was
                over, he became an essential counsellor of the government and got
                involved in the secret services. Pursuit of so-called 'war
                criminals', spying and counter-spying, search for military secrets
                was then his every day life.

                Bergier met Louis Pauwels in the middle of the years 1950. They were
                introduced to each other by René Alleau, a so-called historian of
                alchemy who presented us with a 'Histoire des sociétés secrètes'
                (Planète Paris, 1963) and ventured to make a comparison between
                Marx's thought and Guénon's ('De Marx à Guénon: d'une
                critique "radicale" à une critique "principielle" des sociétés
                modernes', Les Dossiers H, Paris, 1984). Pauwels was looking for a
                man of science (Bergier had a scientific background and was
                interested in alchemy) able to help him to write some articles. Those
                two men had not much in common. Pauwels was an intellectual, a
                literary person who had had a guenonian, anti-progressist, period,
                while Bergier swore only by the scientific method, despising any
                other attitude towards the world. Despite those differences, a great
                friendship was born between them, which led them to dedicate the five
                following years to the writing of 'The Morning of the Magicians'.

                All the rest is literature. Or almost.
              • evola_as_he_is
                We are currently writing in French, a language in which this field is still, and perhaps more than ever, thanks to publishers, filled with quackeries, from
                Message 7 of 10 , Aug 5, 2014
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                  We are currently writing in French, a language in which this field is still, and perhaps more than ever, thanks to publishers, filled with quackeries, from Academia to Conspirationists, an essay, largely based on Hakl's own study, on 'National-Socialism' and the occult, and we have found online a chapter of a book which fully corroborates the findings of the German scholar ; it deals mainly with 'The Spear of Destiny' by Ravenscroft : Invisible Eagle - 05

                   

                • Thomas Lefranc
                  There are two stories in what is written at http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienciareal/invisible_eagle/invisible_eagle05.htm The first one is that of the
                  Message 8 of 10 , Aug 8, 2014
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                    There are two stories in what is written at http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienciareal/invisible_eagle/invisible_eagle05.htm

                    The first one is that of the spear, the precious relic. It is evident, as with most of the christian relics (and history), that it was faked at some point in the history, to provoke piety among the faithful and gain undue gold. It has of course no supernatural power.

                    The second one is the narrative of Ravenscroft and Stein, which, to me, is a mix of truths and lies and exaggerations. It is quite possible that Hitler attached importance to that spear, as he did to everything which belonged to Germanic history. It is also quite possible that he experienced the following: "Adolf Hitler stood beside him like a man in a trance, a man over whom some dreadful magic spell had been cast. His face was flushed and his brooding eyes shone with an alien emanation. He was swaying on his feet as though caught up in some totally inexplicable euphoria. The very space around him seemed enlivened with some subtle irradiation, a kind of ghostly ectoplasmic light. His whole physiognomy and stance appeared transformed as if some mighty Spirit now inhabited his very soul, creating within and around him a kind of evil transfiguration of its own nature and power." It is quite possible because a similar event occurred when Hitler was a little younger, after listening to a opera from Wagner, as recounted by his youth friend August Kubizek in "Adolf Hitler mein Jugendfreund" (I brought attention to that particular event in a message a few months ago). 

                    But where in Hitler's experience shady characters such as Ravenscroft and Stein see "black magic", a "magic spell" and "evil" I would rather see a reaction of a mystical, hypnotical (for lack of better words?) nature stemming from an unlimited love for his people and history. It is possible that in the past some Christians had similar experiences.

                    Would Hitler have launched himself on the path of leading the Germans and Europe had he not attended that opera of Wagner when he was a teenager? Perhaps not according to Kubizek. Just before the war, Hitler met again Kubizek and told him and Winifred Wagner that "everything began at that moment". See below from Kubizek's book: "In 1939, shortly before war broke out, when I, for the first time visited Bayreuth as the guest of the Reichs Chancellor, I thought I would please my host by reminding him of that nocturnal hour on the Freinberg, so I told Adolf Hitler what I remembered of it, assuming that the enormous multitude of impressions and events which had filled these past decades would have pushed into the background the experience of a seventeen year old youth. But after a few words I sensed that he vividly recalled that hour and had retained all its details in his memory. He was visibly pleased that my account confirmed his own recollections. I was also present when Adolf Hitler retold this sequel to the performance of Rienzi in Linz to Frau Wagner, at whose home we were both guests. Thus my own memory was doubly confirmed. The words with which Hitler concluded his story to Frau Wagner are also unforgettable for me. He said solemnly, "In that hour it began.""

                    That leads me to say that culture is an active conveyor of higher elements and not just a recorder of history and traditions. It can awake superior goals in the right beings.
                  • tlefranc10
                    C. G. Jung s opinion on Hitler: There is no question but that Hitler belongs in the category of the truly mystic medicine man. As somebody commented about him
                    Message 9 of 10 , Aug 29, 2014
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                      C. G. Jung's opinion on Hitler:

                      There is no question but that Hitler belongs in the category of the truly mystic medicine man. As somebody commented about him at the last Nürnberg party congress, since the time of Mohammed nothing like it has been seen in this world. 


                      His body does not suggest strength. The outstanding characteristic of his physiognomy is its dreamy look. I was especially struck by that when I saw pictures taken of him in the Czechoslovakian crisis; there was in his eyes the look of a seer. 

                      This markedly mystic characteristic of Hitler's is what makes him do things which seem to us illogical, inexplicable, and unreasonable. ... 

                      So you see, Hitler is a medicine man, a spiritual vessel, a demi-deity or, even better, a myth. 

                      ~Carl Jung; During an interview with H. R. Knickerbocker, first published in Hearst's International Cosmopolitan (January 1939), in which Jung was asked to diagnose Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, and Joseph Stalin, later published in Is Tomorrow Hitler's? (1941), by H. R. Knickerbocker, also published in The Seduction of Unreason: The Intellectual Romance with Fascism (2004) by Richard Wolin, Ch. 2: Prometheus Unhinged: C. G. Jung and the Temptations of Aryan Religion, p. 75


                    • evola_as_he_is
                      This reminds us that the critical study of Jung s so-called ideas by J. Evola in Ur and Krur has not been translated and published in English yet.
                      Message 10 of 10 , Aug 29, 2014
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                        This reminds us that the critical study of Jung's so-called 'ideas' by J. Evola in 'Ur and Krur' has not been translated and published in English yet.
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