Heathen Imperialism and barbarism.
"Given the above, I think your appellation of "shamanic warrior" is
not completely out of place here".
That is, if one agrees with and is willing to use Eliade's
terminology. Basically, he sees Shamen everywhere, just like others
see fertility cults everywhere.
>
>
> --- In
evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, Savitar Devi
> <savitar_devi@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Bersekrs are a special incident of 'barbarism' due to the
> induction of an altered mind state. As has already been explained in
> the earlier quote from Dumezil, the notion of 'mystic heat', frenzy,
> tapas, or whatever one wishes to refer to it as is induced via a
form
> of primordial shamanism. This is not restricted to use in the Nordic
> tradition either, as Dumezil also mentions it is found widely (under
> different names) across all Indo-European traditions. Hence these
> barbarians, may not be barbarians all of the time, and should not be
> viewed as primitive savages. Rather a type of shamanic warrior.
> >
> > Would the imagery of the 'berserkr' also tie into Evola's
Doctrine
> of Battle and Victory?
> >
> >
> > darklittleflame <ads694@h...> wrote:
> > "The power of a new Middle Ages is needed - a revolt, interior
as
> > well as exterior, of a barbaric purity."
> >
> > Is there any ambiguity regarding the word Evola originally uses
> > for 'barbaric'?
> >
> > I am just wondering how Evola saw this 'barbarism' as differing
from
> > the "uncouth and ferocious" attitude of the semites. Also, given
> > such views, can anyone elaborate on how Evola viewed such
> > things as 'bersekrs'? Were these perhaps ferocious but not
uncouth?
> >
> > Following the above quote Evola then seems to suggest that
> > this 'barbarism' is a precursor necessary to clear the way for a
> > true restoration of the primordial nordic tradition.
> >
> > "The one who enters the temple, however much of a barbarian he
may
> > be (is this a tone of disparagement?), has the unquestionable
duty
> > to drive out [the] corrupters...
> >
> > To all this [corruption] must be said: "Enough!", so that some
men
> > at least can recover the long roads, the long danger, the long
gaze,
> > and the long silence ; so that the wind of the open sea can blow
> > again - the wind of the Nordic primordial tradition - to reawaken
> > the sleepers of the West."
> >
> > Given the possible tone of disparagement towards these
barbarians,
> > was 'barbarism' here perhaps used as an appeal and attempt to
give
> > an impetus to the more 'uncouth and ferocious' elements of
> > the 'popular' Right wing movements of the time that would be more
> > in line with Evola's attempt to restore Tradition? I do not know
> > enough regarding the context of publication so would be
interested
> > in what others have to say.
> >
> >
> > --- In
evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "evola_as_he_is"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Given the regrettable indiscretion which was committed three
weeks
> > > ago on another e-list and of which we got to hear, it would be
> > > useless to keep it secret for a longer period of time.
> > >
> > > 'Heathen Imperialism' is based on 'Heidnischer Imperialismus',
and
> > > not on 'Imperialismo pagano', be it only because the former is
far
> > > more accomplished.
> > >
> > > Basically, 'Heidnischer Imperialismus' is so different
> > > from 'Imperialismo pagano' that the former cannot be considered
as
> > a
> > > mere revised and expanded edition of the latter. Differences
> > between
> > > them are far too numerous and important to be identified and
given
> > > via footnotes, not to mention that footnoting a book like this
> > poses
> > > serious problems of lay-out, which would make its reading
rather
> > > acrobatic, especially since both books contain their own
> > footnotes.
> > > All those who have published 'Imperialismo pagano', whether the
> > > original or its French translation, renounced to do it.
> > >
> > > Speaking of footnotes, we are thinking of an original and most
> > > convenient way of giving them without inserting them in the
actual
> > > book.
> > >
> > > One more word about
http://evola.frih.net : when that picture
we
> > > mentioned yesterday is taken and downloaded on it, the site
will
> > > change name and be called, as it is now,
> > >
http://evola_as_he_is.frih.net .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In
evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "darklittleflame"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Given discussion in past posts are we to assume that an
English
> > > > translation of Heathen Imperialism will be made available at
> > some
> > > time?
> > > > If so, will it be based on the original Italian or the German
> > > version,
> > > > which I understand had a number of changes made? And would
such
> > > > differences and their significance be identified via
footnotes
> > or
> > > an
> > > > introduction?
> > > >
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