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Re: Heathen Imperialism and barbarism.

"The power of a new Middle Ages is needed - a revolt, interior as
well as exterior, of a barbaric purity."

Is there any ambiguity regarding the word Evola originally uses
for 'barbaric'?

I am just wondering how Evola saw this 'barbarism' as differing from
the "uncouth and ferocious" attitude of the semites. Also, given
such views, can anyone elaborate on how Evola viewed such
things as 'bersekrs'? Were these perhaps ferocious but not uncouth?

Following the above quote Evola then seems to suggest that
this 'barbarism' is a precursor necessary to clear the way for a
true restoration of the primordial nordic tradition.

"The one who enters the temple, however much of a barbarian he may
be (is this a tone of disparagement?), has the unquestionable duty
to drive out [the] corrupters...

To all this [corruption] must be said: "Enough!", so that some men
at least can recover the long roads, the long danger, the long gaze,
and the long silence ; so that the wind of the open sea can blow
again - the wind of the Nordic primordial tradition - to reawaken
the sleepers of the West."

Given the possible tone of disparagement towards these barbarians,
was 'barbarism' here perhaps used as an appeal and attempt to give
an impetus to the more 'uncouth and ferocious' elements of
the 'popular' Right wing movements of the time that would be more
in line with Evola's attempt to restore Tradition? I do not know
enough regarding the context of publication so would be interested
in what others have to say.


--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "evola_as_he_is"
<evola_as_he_is@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Given the regrettable indiscretion which was committed three weeks
> ago on another e-list and of which we got to hear, it would be
> useless to keep it secret for a longer period of time.
>
> 'Heathen Imperialism' is based on 'Heidnischer Imperialismus', and
> not on 'Imperialismo pagano', be it only because the former is far
> more accomplished.
>
> Basically, 'Heidnischer Imperialismus' is so different
> from 'Imperialismo pagano' that the former cannot be considered as
a
> mere revised and expanded edition of the latter. Differences
between
> them are far too numerous and important to be identified and given
> via footnotes, not to mention that footnoting a book like this
poses
> serious problems of lay-out, which would make its reading rather
> acrobatic, especially since both books contain their own
footnotes.
> All those who have published 'Imperialismo pagano', whether the
> original or its French translation, renounced to do it.
>
> Speaking of footnotes, we are thinking of an original and most
> convenient way of giving them without inserting them in the actual
> book.
>
> One more word about http://evola.frih.net : when that picture we
> mentioned yesterday is taken and downloaded on it, the site will
> change name and be called, as it is now,
> http://evola_as_he_is.frih.net .
>
>
>
> --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "darklittleflame"
> <ads694@h...> wrote:
> >
> > Given discussion in past posts are we to assume that an English
> > translation of Heathen Imperialism will be made available at
some
> time?
> > If so, will it be based on the original Italian or the German
> version,
> > which I understand had a number of changes made? And would such
> > differences and their significance be identified via footnotes
or
> an
> > introduction?
> >
>









Sat Jan 7, 2006 8:44 pm

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Given discussion in past posts are we to assume that an English translation of Heathen Imperialism will be made available at some time? If so, will it be based...
darklittleflame Offline Send Email Jan 6, 2006
9:08 am

Given the regrettable indiscretion which was committed three weeks ago on another e-list and of which we got to hear, it would be useless to keep it secret for...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jan 6, 2006
1:47 pm

"The power of a new Middle Ages is needed - a revolt, interior as well as exterior, of a barbaric purity." Is there any ambiguity regarding the word Evola...
darklittleflame Offline Send Email Jan 8, 2006
10:24 am

"We may call the Germanic peoples which invaded Rome 'barbarians', but not with respect to the degenerate Roman civilisation in which those peoples appeared,...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jan 8, 2006
6:18 pm

Thank you for the quote, most helpful. I am certainly aware of the timeless aspects of 'heathen imperialism,' which transcend any particular historical...
darklittleflame Offline Send Email Jan 9, 2006
9:25 am

It is safe to assume that Evola, in 'Heidnischer Imperialismus' as well as in his other works, appealed above all to the 'best ones'. As for those you call...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jan 10, 2006
12:55 pm

... I was just going by the following from an interview with Julien Hervier: HERVIER: What was your position on the Nazi movement during its early stages? ...
darklittleflame Offline Send Email Jan 11, 2006
9:07 am

If this statement also includes contemporary 'fascism' then I can supply a long list of 'uncouth' elements - skinheads, oi punks, NSDAP Satanists, National...
Savitar Devi
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Jan 9, 2006
9:25 am

It doesn't ; otherwise we would have spoken of 'neo-Fascists', but we are grateful to you for offering us the opportunity to correct a slip of the tongue we...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jan 9, 2006
8:46 pm

Inexplicable typing errors strike even the best of us from time to time... evola_as_he_is <evola_as_he_is@...> wrote: It doesn't ; otherwise we would...
Savitar Devi
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Jan 10, 2006
10:04 am

The Ms Lemon secretary type is long gone. ... to time... ... we ... slip ... of ... http://in.messenger.yahoo.com...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jan 10, 2006
1:17 pm

Bersekrs are a special incident of 'barbarism' due to the induction of an altered mind state. As has already been explained in the earlier quote from Dumezil,...
Savitar Devi
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Jan 9, 2006
9:25 am

It might be opportune at this point of the discussion to render here an article by comparitive religions scholar Mircea Eliade which has previously been...
zenon_noir Offline Send Email Jan 9, 2006
2:18 pm

It might be opportune at this point of the discussion to render here an article by comparitive religions scholar Mircea Eliade which has previously been...
zenon_noir Offline Send Email Jan 9, 2006
2:18 pm

"Given the above, I think your appellation of "shamanic warrior" is not completely out of place here". That is, if one agrees with and is willing to use...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jan 9, 2006
2:25 pm

Obviously I have been reading too much Eliade of late, if one can spot a reference to Eliade without me even citing his name. He does to tend to see shamanism...
Savitar Devi
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Jan 10, 2006
10:02 am

"That is, if one agrees with and is willing to use Eliade's terminology. Basically, he sees Shamen everywhere, just like others see fertility cults...
zenon_noir Offline Send Email Jan 10, 2006
10:03 am

"A dominating race can grow up only out of terrible and violent beginnings. Problem: where are the barbarians of the twentieth century? Obviously, they will...
kshonan88 Offline Send Email Jan 9, 2006
8:32 pm

... Seems a fairly big leap to go from the individual acts Nietzsche refers to in this passage to mass murder on an industrial sized scale. You neglect to add...
darklittleflame Offline Send Email Jan 10, 2006
10:03 am

Of course it is up to debate whether ... I disagree. Its tiresome that N. is always taken out of context and his dislike of petty nationalism and his remarks...
kshonan88 Offline Send Email Jan 10, 2006
7:48 pm

... This is probably not the place to discuss Nietzsche's views on these matters in more depth given that it is a forum devoted to Evola. However, I never...
darklittleflame Offline Send Email Jan 11, 2006
9:07 am

... Semitism ... the ... 1. BGE, 251 - ""Let no more Jews come in! And shut the doors, especially towards the East (also towards Austria)!" - thus commands the...
kshonan88 Offline Send Email Jan 11, 2006
10:32 pm

Those who have read 'Three Aspects of the Jewish Problem' should see what Nietzsche's views on Jews and Evola's have in common and what distinguishes them. It...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jan 14, 2006
11:22 am

Thank you for your interest. I urge that N.'s BGE, 251 be read more carefully; quote - "That the Jews could, if they wanted - or if they were compelled, as the...
kshonan88 Offline Send Email Jan 15, 2006
8:26 pm

Evola studied three aspects of the Jewish problem, and, in fact, more than just three of them, besides being deeply interested in Nietzsche's work, in which...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jan 11, 2006
12:47 pm

Thank you very much for that reference! Regards. ... more ... therefore ... published...
kshonan88 Offline Send Email Jan 11, 2006
10:31 pm

In 'Revolt against the Modern World', chapter XI, Evola speaks of "prehistoric purity" about the Germans mentioned by Tacitus, stating: "What found expression...
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