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Two 'mistakes' of National-Bolshevism (a third one)


Let's reformulate that : Dumézil was wrong in assuming that Vedic
society was divided in three castes, that of the priests, that of the
warriors, and that of the farmers, of the workers, of the producers,
and so on. Since, to him, there was no fourth caste, it seems
paradoxical that he should issue the "extremely important warning"
that "workers belonged to the third caste, and not to the fourth
caste" in that society. Despite the "extreme importance" of
that "warning", no reference to any book by Dumézil is given to us.

In all likelihood, Dugin, who, to the best of our knowledge,
recognises that Aryan traditional society was based on four castes,
has extrapolated from that French structuralist's tripartition thesis
to make the system of four castes fit with his national-Bolshevik
world-outlook, twisting the meaning of that system in the process.
This being said, even if the "workers (belong) to the third caste,
and not to the fourth caste", how on earth is that supposed to
demonstrate that "the antibourgeois struggle of socialists has
implicitly a traditional and Indo-European dimension"?

Besides, the term "worker" refers to that offshoot of speculative
capitalism which Marxist ideology is, for which, incidentally,
peasants, too, were considered as "workers". It is an anachronism to
use it in a Vedic context. The fact that Dugin commit it does not
come as a surprise to us.


--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, Savitar Devi
<savitar_devi@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Whilst my knowledge of National Bolshevism is thus-far limited to
the occasional piece spam which arrives in my inbox, Dugin's
statement is simply ill-informed and absurd, indeed it almost
surpasses there known boundaries of absurdity and boarders on being a
blatant lie.
>
>
>
> Vaiúya, the third of the Twice-Born castes is equivalent
to `Tradesmen', not only merchants, but also farmers, as seen in the
Laws of Manu (330) `He must be acquainted with (the manner of) sowing
seeds, and of the good and bad qualities of fields, and he musty
perfectly know all measures and weights.' A farmer is by no means the
same as worker though.
>
>
>
> Since Úûdra literally translates as `worker' I fail to see how one
can conclude workers comprise the third caste instead of the fourth.
If one reads the Books of Manu, it furthermore becomes clear that the
rendering of the word `worker' here boarders on also adopting the
definition of `slave' and it is indeed a caste of composed of
conquered peoples, as one should be able to see by the castes strong
associations with the colour `black' and the `soles of the feet',
both of which are strong symbols of impurity to the Hindu/Aryan.
>
>
>
> I have not read the work in which Dumézil mentions `workers
belonged to the third caste, and not to the fourth caste". In which
of his books is this written?
>
> Dugin does indeed sound like a victim of Marxism.
>
>
> evola_as_he_is <evola_as_he_is@y...> wrote:
> Bearing this in mind, this passage of Dugin's 'Julius Evola e il
> tradizionalismo russo' (
> http://www.centrostudilaruna.it/evoladugin.html ), which we
mentioned
> a few weeks ago, is absurd : "(...) Evola has wrongly identified,
> according to the logic of the non revolutionary Right, traditional
> castes with the classes of Western society. In this respect, we
> should bear in mind the extremely important warning of George
Dumezil
> about the fact that, in traditional Indo-European, thus Aryan,
> society, workers belonged to the third caste, and not to the fourth
> caste. Besides, merchants (that is proto-capitalists (sic)) did not
> belong in any way to the system of castes in that society and all
the functions of distribution of goods and of money were the
prerogative
> of the warriors, of the kshatriyas. This means that the merchants
> class does not correspond in any way to the structure of Aryan
> society and was historically superimposed on it as a result of
> cultural and racial mixing. Therefore, the antibourgeois struggle
of
> socialists has implicitly a traditional and Indo-European
dimension."
>
>
>
>
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It seems to me that the greatest mistake made by the National-Bolsheviks is their confusing of the "irrational" with the "supra-rational". This is the same ...
skyegamble89 Offline Send Email Sep 18, 2005
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Surely Dugin is super-talented, like someone said, but also super-acrobatic. It seem to me that he utilize the name of Evola mostly for gaining his ends,...
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Sep 19, 2005
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You refer to http://www.centrostudilaruna.it/evoladugin.html , an essay in which Dugin assesses the relationship between Evola's work and Russian...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Sep 21, 2005
1:25 pm

Hitler said: maybe a communist could be a Nazi, a bourgeois never. So, the apparent convergence between extreme Left and Right Wings is due to the uneasiness...
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Sep 21, 2005
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If I am incorrect, I apologize in advance, but why do you call Buddhism a "right-hand path"? If I remember correctly, Buddhism, at least the original, Aryan...
skyegamble89 Offline Send Email Sep 22, 2005
12:54 pm

It remains to see whether or not the respective definition of the 'left-hand path' and of the 'right-hand path' you refer to, and which is closely akin to that...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Sep 22, 2005
3:14 pm

well, like his master, pootie-poot (see http://oag.ru/library/hodos/js3-32.html ), he aspires to run with the hare and hunt with the hounds, innit? ...
Rowan Berkeley
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Sep 19, 2005
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We recommend you to read this article : it is a must, insofar as it shows how the various points of the program set out in the 'Protocols of the Elders of...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Sep 19, 2005
5:11 pm

That's right. This confusion between the 'irrational' and the 'supra- rational' characterises National-Bolshevik thought, all its mistakes are likely to derive...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Sep 19, 2005
1:16 pm

I have just read the whole of the 'Sacred Geography' essay here: http://web.archive.org/web/20030201210835/utenti.lycos.it/ArchivEurasia/dugin_sgg.html and it...
Rowan Berkeley
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Sep 19, 2005
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In his well-documented "Spiritualité hindoue" (Albin Michel, 1947), Jean Herbert set himself the task "of giving to those who don't know India a truthful...
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Whilst my knowledge of National Bolshevism is thus-far limited to the occasional piece spam which arrives in my inbox, Dugin’s statement is simply...
Savitar Devi
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Oct 26, 2005
9:29 am

Let's reformulate that : Dumézil was wrong in assuming that Vedic society was divided in three castes, that of the priests, that of the warriors, and that of...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Oct 26, 2005
2:56 pm

From the viewpoint of the superior castes, probably the differences between the third and the fourth ones were irrelevant. A possibility of a fifth caste is...
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Oct 26, 2005
6:01 pm

Without going so far, it is true that any Vedic treatise on religious law and social duties was primarily concerned with the regulation of the two highest...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Oct 27, 2005
9:42 am

That sounds a lot like Marcuse's theory that the proletariat had become bourgeoisified and the new revolutionary class in the metropolitan countries was the...
Rowan Berkeley
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Oct 27, 2005
12:38 pm

It does, to a certain extent, except that what is seen as a positive phenomenon by Marcuse, the coming of that "non-repressive civilization which would involve...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Oct 27, 2005
7:56 pm

Right, you see the isomorphy between Marcuse's analysis of social trends and Evola's, beneath the "change of sign". Now, that article contains also a reference...
Rowan Berkeley
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Oct 28, 2005
9:53 am

Needless to say that Evola himself saw it. He saw that, if the diagnosis made by Marcuse of contemporary world was accurate, the remedies he offered, far from...
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