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Re: Satanism ( was: Start your new year right! .....activate yourself)

Regarding Hitler's comments on 'neo-pagans':
Guenon's comments in the second chapter of `crisis' also emphasise
similar concerns. `There are [those] who wish to attach themselves
to Celtism...But where can one find `Celtism' today in a pure state
and with sufficient vitality to be able to serve as a basis? …We do
not deny that a certain Celtic spirit has survived and can still
manifest itself under various forms...but when anyone tells us that
there still exist spiritual centers where the Druid tradition is
preserved in its entirety, we require them to show proof, and until
they do so we consider it very doubtful, if not altogether
incredible.

Guenon believed that a Western Tradition could only be rebuilt
within a Christian form (given the recent posts referring to Hitler
and the restoration of a pre-Christian cult I am interested in what
others make of Guenon's beliefs in this regard) and such
resusicitation could only happen through a Western elite having
contact with `the living spirit of Tradition' that he saw present in
the East.

Contact with a living center can act as a catalyst, but as Guenon
states such contact would not be sufficient in and of itself. Only
an elite are capable of bringing restoration to the West. It is only
those who have an innate disposition to seek out, recognise and
instantiate the living spirit of Tradition. As Nietzsche
wrote, `spirit alone does not make noble; rather, there must be
something to ennoble the spirit. What then is required? Blood' WP
942.

In the same passage Nietzsche also makes it clear that when speaking
of the nobility of birth and blood he does not mean `the little
word "von" or of the Almanach de Gotha: parenthesis for asses. When
one speaks of "aristocrats of the spirit," reasons are usually not
lacking for concealing something; as is well known, it is a favorite
term among ambitious Jews.'

Despite Hitler's, no doubt, firmly held convinction in his professed
aims and goals can National Socialism be subject to Nietzsche's
above criticism of being ultimately a concealment of more profane,
and perhaps 'anaemic' ambitions, even if unconscious? Can Hitler be
seen as embodying what Evola, when speaking of Traditional spiritual
action, referred to as `the `Olympian' attribute of true
spirituality and true sovereignty and [a] direct way of asserting
themselves, not through violence, but through presence' or was he
merely employing demagoguery, messianism and the use of brute force
to achieve mere profane goals of status, wealth and power etc?
Others here are obviously well learned in such subjects so I would
be interested to hear their views, or how Evola interpreted, what
appears to be, mere appeals to natural rather than transcendent
values.

And, of course, does Nietzsche too also fall prey to such criticism?
I would hold Nietzsche's nobility well above that of Hitler.
However, his proclamation of it, notably in `ecce homo,' is often
furnished with such hyperbole to suggest tones of messianic
demagoguery. Is this just so readers will come to believe that he is
indeed a world historical event, last prophet of Dionysus, the
Antichrist and thereby furnish him with the recognition he must have
felt that was rightly his and unjustly with-held? However, unlike
Hitler, Nietzsche knew that he could not `confound [him]self with
those for whom there are ears listening today.' And that despite all
his claims for world historical status `there is nothing in
[Nietzsche] of a founder of a religion – religion are affairs of the
rabble...I never speak to masses.'

Also, referring back to Nietzsche's comments on blood, he also
considers his professed nobility (with the hyperbole noted above) as
a `monstrous atavism. One would have to go back centuries to find
this noblest of races that the earth has ever possessed in so
instinctively pristine a degree as [Nietzsche] presents it...One is
least related to one's parents...Higher natures have their origins
infinitely farther back...Julius Caesar could be my father – or
Alexander, this Dionysos incarnate.'

Leaving aside the question of how far Nietzsche can actually be seen
to have embodied such grand ideals I am wondering if there is
resonance here with Evola's view that `race lives in blood, or
rather deeper than in blood, in a depth where individual life
communicates with a life more than individual, not to be understood,
however, in a naturalistic way, as `life of the species,' but as an
order in which spiritual forces are at work.' Also, how far to
National Socialist racial views go in this regard or do they only
refer to racism of the first and second degree?

--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "evola_as_he_is"
<evola_as_he_is@y...> wrote:
>
>
> That excerpt from 'Mein Kampf' sums up the whole thing. It does.
It
> stands as a perfect counterpart to 'The Misunderstanding of Neo-
> Paganism', a text which, especially in its second version, that
which
> constitutes a chapter of 'Sintesi di dottrina della razza', raises
> the question of the possibility of restoring pre-Christian
European
> cult in practice.
>
> Theoretically, one thing is for sure, Neo-Pagans put the cart
before
> the horse : the rites which were peculiar to those cults were
> indissociable from the specific spirit in which they originated
and
> were rooted. What matters is not to perform those rites, but to
> regain that spirit, failing which they are an empty shell and lead
> nowhere. On that basis, a man who lives according to the
principles
> on which the ancient pre-Christian cults were based, and only him,
> can be legitimately considered as a 'neo-Pagan', or, as we'd
rather
> say, a 'neo-Heathen' ; so long as that spirit is still embodied by
> differentiated men, the possibility of a 'heathen Imperialism'
still
> exists, theoretically.
>
>
>
> --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "darkiexx"
<tristanarpe@h...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Without lambasting the Nordic Paganism or any other re-
> > constructionist belief system. It is only correct to put it into
> the
> > context of the particular thoughts of the leader of the NSDAP
> > (assuming these were his thoughts). I believe heartedly that all
> > other derivations would be treated with similar disdain.
> >
> > Here, I quote also from his text (please remember that it is
> > difficult, to do justice, to any thinking by just lifting
> > paraphrases from a book).
> >
> > MEIN KAMPF. Adolf Hitler (1889-1945). Chapter X
> >
> > It is typical of such persons that they rant about ancient
Teutonic
> > heroes of the dim and distant ages, stone axes, battle spears and
> > shields, whereas in reality they themselves are the woefullest
> > poltroons imaginable. For those very same people who brandish
> > Teutonic tin swords that have been fashioned carefully according
to
> > ancient models and wear padded bear-skins, with the horns of
oxen
> > mounted over their bearded faces, proclaim that all contemporary
> > conflicts must be decided by the weapons of the mind alone. And
> thus
> > they skedaddle when the first communist cudgel appears.
Posterity
> > will have little occasion to write a new epic on these heroic
> > gladiators.
> > […]
> > I have seen too much of that kind of people not to feel a
profound
> > contempt for their miserable play-acting. To the masses of the
> nation
> > they are just an object of ridicule; but the Jew finds it to his
own
> > interest to treat these folk-lore comedians with respect and to
> > prefer them to real men who are fighting to establish a German
> > State. And yet these comedians are extremely proud of
themselves.
> > […]
> > Among those people there were some whose conduct can be
explained by
> > their innate stupidity and incompetence; but there are others
who
> > have a definite ulterior purpose in view. Often it is difficult
to
> > distinguish between the two classes. The impression which I
often
> > get, especially of those so-called religious reformers whose
creed
> > is grounded on ancient Germanic customs, is that they are the
> > missionaries and protégés of those forces which do not wish to
see
> a
> > national revival taking place in Germany.
> > […]
> > It was not without good reason that when we laid down a clearly
> > defined programme for the new movement we excluded the word
> VÖLKISCH
> > from it.The concept underlying the term VÖLKISCH cannot serve as
> the
> > basis of a movement, because it is too indefinite and general in
> its
> > application. Therefore, if somebody called himself VÖLKISCH such
a
> > designation could not be taken as the hall-mark of some
definite,
> > party affiliation.
> >
> > ==============================================================
> > Poltroon: a spiritless coward
> >
>









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