The Clairvaux quote in French can be found in its original Latin in this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Second-Crusade-Cistercians-Michael-Gervers/dp/0312056079It is quoted in the novel.
Perhaps Bernard would not be on Amnesty International's "top-ten-most-humanitarian-anemic-monks-of-the-12th-century" list.
From: Evola <evola_as_he_is@...>
To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:26 PM
Subject: [evola_as_he_is] Re: M. Eliade on the Legionary Movement
Christianity's long history of forcible conversion by treacherous and oblique means, and, if need be, by the sword - based on Luke 14:23 ('Compel them to come in')and not on Matthew 26:52, sanctioned by Augustine, and then fully enforced, among others, by the blood-thirsty Alcuin and by Clairveau ; in particular, the 'Capitulatio de partibus Saxoniae' and Clairveau's notorious call to murder, which might be quoted on http://perunswar.wordpress.com ("vous devez détruire pleinement ces tribus [les Wendes] ou les convertir pour toujours. (...) Nous vous interdisons de signer n'importe quel traité avec eux, ni pour de l'argent, ni pour un autre service jusqu'à ce que, avec l'aide de Dieu, leur religion (sic) ou leur tribu soit détruite"/ "You must exterminate these tribes [the Wendes] or convert them for ever. (...) You are forbidden to sign any treaty with them,
neither for money, nor for another service, until, with God's help, their religion (sic) or their tribe is rooted out." Letter 457 (SBO VIII, p. 432-433), must have been unknown to the young exalted M. Eliade.
On the other hand, no one was forced to joined the Legionarist movement.
Christianity, to quote 'Heathen Imperialism', "is not enough", to say the least. To paraphrase L.F. Céline, liberty as understood and preached by Christianity means infinity made available to poodles. It can only apply to slaves in the aristotelian sense.
--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "G. van der Heide" <vnvsmvndvs@...> wrote:
>
> Liberty
>
> By Mircea Eliade
>
> "Iconar", March 5 1937
>
> There is an aspect of the Legionary Movement that has not been sufficiently
> explored: the
> individual's liberty. Being primarily a spiritual movement concerned with
> the creation of
> a New Man and the salvation of our people – the Legion can't grow and
> couldn't have
> matured without treasuring the individual's liberty; the liberty that so
> many books were
> written about with which so many libraries were stacked full, in defense of
> which many
> democratic speeches have been held, without it being truly lived and
> treasured.
> The people that speak of liberty and declare themselves willing to die for
> it are those who
> believe in materialist dogmas, in fatalities: social classes, class war, the
> primacy of the
> economy, etc. It is strange, to say the least, to hear a person who doesn't
> believe in God
> stand up for "liberty," who doesn't believe in the primacy of the spirit or
> the afterlife.
> Such a person, when they speak in good faith, mix "liberty" up with
> libertarianism and
> anarchy. Liberty can only be spoken of in spiritual life. Those who deny the
> spirit its
> primacy automatically fall to mechanical determinism (Marxism) and
> irresponsibility.
> People bind themselves together according to either hedonism or a familiar
> economic
> destiny. I'm a comrade of X because he happens to be my relative, or a
> colleague at
> work, and thus comrades of pay. Connections between people are almost always
> involuntary, they are a natural given. I cannot modify my familiar destiny.
> And with
> respect to economic destiny, regardless of how much effort I employ, I could
> at most
> change my comrades of pay – but I will always unwillingly find myself in a
> solidarity
> with certain people I don't know to which I'm tied by the chance of me being
> poor or
> rich.
>
> There are, however, spiritual movements wherein people are tied by liberty.
> People are
> free to join this spiritual family. No exterior determination forces them to
> become
> brothers. Back in the day when it was expanding and converting, Christianity
> was a
> spiritual movement that people joined out of the common desire to
> spiritualize their lives
> and overcome death. No one forced a pagan to become a Christian. On the
> contrary, the
> state on the one hand, and its instincts of conservation on the other,
> restlessly raised
> obstacles to Christian conversion.
>
> But even faced with such obstacles, the thirst of being free, of forging
> your own destiny,
> of defeating biological and economic determinations was much too strong.
> People joined
> Christianity, knowing that they would become poor overnight, that they would
> leave their
> still pagan families behind, that they could be imprisoned for life, or even
> face the
> cruelest death—the death of a martyr.
>
> Being a profoundly Christian movement, justifying its doctrine on the
> spiritual level
> above all – legionarism encourages and is built upon liberty. You adhere to
> legionarism
> because you are free, because you decided to overcome the iron circles of
> biological
> determinism (fear of death, suffering, etc.) and economic determinism (fear
> of becoming
> homeless). The first gesture a legionnaire will display is one born out of
> total liberty: he
> dares to free himself of spiritual, biological and economic enslavement. No
> exterior
> determinism can influence him. The moment he decides to be free is the
> moment all fears
> and inferiority complexes instantaneously disappear. He who enters the
> Legion forever
> dons the shirt of death. That means that the legionnaire feels so free that
> death itself no
> longer frightens him. If the Legionnaire nurtures the spirit of sacrifice
> with such passion,
> and if he has proven to be capable of making sacrifices – culminating in the
> deaths of
> Mota and Marin – these bear witness to the unlimited liberty a legionnaire
> has gained.
> "He who knows how to die will never be a slave." And this doesn't concern
> only ethnic
> or political enslavement – but firstly, spiritual enslavement. If you are
> ready to die, no
> fear, weakness, shyness can enslave you. Making peace with death is the most
> total
> liberty man can receive on this Earth.
>
> http://www.archive.org/details/Liberty_7
>
On the other hand, no one was forced to joined the Legionarist movement.
Christianity, to quote 'Heathen Imperialism', "is not enough", to say the least. To paraphrase L.F. Céline, liberty as understood and preached by Christianity means infinity made available to poodles. It can only apply to slaves in the aristotelian sense.
--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "G. van der Heide" <vnvsmvndvs@...> wrote:
>
> Liberty
>
> By Mircea Eliade
>
> "Iconar", March 5 1937
>
> There is an aspect of the Legionary Movement that has not been sufficiently
> explored: the
> individual's liberty. Being primarily a spiritual movement concerned with
> the creation of
> a New Man and the salvation of our people – the Legion can't grow and
> couldn't have
> matured without treasuring the individual's liberty; the liberty that so
> many books were
> written about with which so many libraries were stacked full, in defense of
> which many
> democratic speeches have been held, without it being truly lived and
> treasured.
> The people that speak of liberty and declare themselves willing to die for
> it are those who
> believe in materialist dogmas, in fatalities: social classes, class war, the
> primacy of the
> economy, etc. It is strange, to say the least, to hear a person who doesn't
> believe in God
> stand up for "liberty," who doesn't believe in the primacy of the spirit or
> the afterlife.
> Such a person, when they speak in good faith, mix "liberty" up with
> libertarianism and
> anarchy. Liberty can only be spoken of in spiritual life. Those who deny the
> spirit its
> primacy automatically fall to mechanical determinism (Marxism) and
> irresponsibility.
> People bind themselves together according to either hedonism or a familiar
> economic
> destiny. I'm a comrade of X because he happens to be my relative, or a
> colleague at
> work, and thus comrades of pay. Connections between people are almost always
> involuntary, they are a natural given. I cannot modify my familiar destiny.
> And with
> respect to economic destiny, regardless of how much effort I employ, I could
> at most
> change my comrades of pay – but I will always unwillingly find myself in a
> solidarity
> with certain people I don't know to which I'm tied by the chance of me being
> poor or
> rich.
>
> There are, however, spiritual movements wherein people are tied by liberty.
> People are
> free to join this spiritual family. No exterior determination forces them to
> become
> brothers. Back in the day when it was expanding and converting, Christianity
> was a
> spiritual movement that people joined out of the common desire to
> spiritualize their lives
> and overcome death. No one forced a pagan to become a Christian. On the
> contrary, the
> state on the one hand, and its instincts of conservation on the other,
> restlessly raised
> obstacles to Christian conversion.
>
> But even faced with such obstacles, the thirst of being free, of forging
> your own destiny,
> of defeating biological and economic determinations was much too strong.
> People joined
> Christianity, knowing that they would become poor overnight, that they would
> leave their
> still pagan families behind, that they could be imprisoned for life, or even
> face the
> cruelest death—the death of a martyr.
>
> Being a profoundly Christian movement, justifying its doctrine on the
> spiritual level
> above all – legionarism encourages and is built upon liberty. You adhere to
> legionarism
> because you are free, because you decided to overcome the iron circles of
> biological
> determinism (fear of death, suffering, etc.) and economic determinism (fear
> of becoming
> homeless). The first gesture a legionnaire will display is one born out of
> total liberty: he
> dares to free himself of spiritual, biological and economic enslavement. No
> exterior
> determinism can influence him. The moment he decides to be free is the
> moment all fears
> and inferiority complexes instantaneously disappear. He who enters the
> Legion forever
> dons the shirt of death. That means that the legionnaire feels so free that
> death itself no
> longer frightens him. If the Legionnaire nurtures the spirit of sacrifice
> with such passion,
> and if he has proven to be capable of making sacrifices – culminating in the
> deaths of
> Mota and Marin – these bear witness to the unlimited liberty a legionnaire
> has gained.
> "He who knows how to die will never be a slave." And this doesn't concern
> only ethnic
> or political enslavement – but firstly, spiritual enslavement. If you are
> ready to die, no
> fear, weakness, shyness can enslave you. Making peace with death is the most
> total
> liberty man can receive on this Earth.
>
> http://www.archive.org/details/Liberty_7
>