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Hello,

Julius Evola never tackled the question of abortion in his work, nor
did he tackle it in any of the essays which were gathered, under his
supervision, in various anthologies. However, since, as you have
recalled, he dealt with issues such as marriage, family, the
relations of the sexes, birth control, there are strong grounds for
thinking that he had a definite point of view on this matter and that
this point of view was closely akin to the one which was peculiar to
classical Western cultures of antiquity.

In the Graeco-Roman world, abortion was tolerated, or even
sanctioned, provided that it was performed before 'quickening', that
is the time when a woman first feels the foetus move within her.
Roman morality placed no social stigma on abortion, provided that the
(married) woman obtained the permission of her husband before
aborting. The so-called 'right of the woman to her own body', in the
name of which the related 'right to abortion' has been advertised for
a few decades, was obviously perfectly unknown to ancient Rome and,
more generally, to any pre-modern culture. Abortion was never
legalised in Rome, and, in AD 200, it was even prohibited. Besides,
it should be stressed that abortion was very rarely performed in
those days, for quite obvious reasons.

As for early Christians, they condemned abortion, but did not view
the termination of a pregnancy to be an abortion before 'ensoulment'.
At the beginning of the XIIIth century, Pope Innocent III wrote
that 'quickening' was the moment at which abortion became homicide.
Prior to 'quickening', abortion was considered by the Roman Catholic
Church as a less serious sin. This approach to abortion prevailed in
the Roman Catholic Church for centuries; it ended at the end of the
XIXth century, when Pope Pius IX officially eliminated the Catholic
distinction between an animated foetus and a non-animated foetus and
required excommunication for abortions at any stage of pregnancy. It
has been argued that the Pope's restriction on abortion was motivated
by a need to counter the rising birth control movement in European
countries and the declining Catholic population of these countries.
Other motivations led, for instance, the Canadian government and the
American government to pass anti-abortion laws at the end of the
XIXth century. Various Anglo-Saxon circles voiced their concern about
the "race suicide" of the Anglo-Saxon population in relation to the
burgeoning of immigrant populations. Anglo-Saxon women who refused
maternity by employing contraception or abortion were condemned
as "traitors to the race".

Indo-European stocks have never 'proliferated'. The Roman couple
never had many children. Family size in the Middle Ages in the West
was modest. Most households were small, for reasons which, in the
people, were closely connected to late marriage, short life
expectancy, and economic constraints. Many noble families, which were
not subject to the same extent to those factors, proved not to
reproduce. The Carolingian line died out in 987, the Ottonian in 1002
and the Rudolphian of Burgundy in 1032. And so on. However, at that
time, the white race in Europe was far from being in danger of
extinction, whereas, nowadays, it is, on one hand because the rising
tide of coloured people, to quote Madison Grant, threatens to
overwhelm it, on the other hand because of its increasing lack of
fertility, mainly due, among other things, to massive abortion.
Therefore, many questions, of which that of abortion, can no longer
be stated in the same terms, on various accounts.

In the first place, as acknowledged by many of you, abortion has
become a precise means to a precise end, a weapon to eradicate the
white people, and this weapon, much more effective than water
poisoning or castration, is in the hands of the Jew. In 1945, one of
the Jewish counsellors of Roosevelt strongly suggested him to have
the water supplies of Berlin poisoned, while others supported the
castration of the whole German population. As a coincidence, it was a
Jewish political schemer who campaigned for the 'right to abortion'
in France and managed to make it legal in this country in the 1970's.
Most European countries followed in its footsteps. Evola was dead for
a few years when contagion spread throughout Europe. A few months
ago, a boat rented by a branch of the E.U., filled with abortion
campaigners anchored off the Polish coast, thus flouting one of the
three only European countries where abortion is still illegal. In
this connection, let's bear in mind that abortion is also a business,
run by a people who, keen as it is on 'capitalising' on his own dead,
does not hesitate to make money on other peoples' life. Let's bear in
mind that abortion is also a business, and a very lucrative one at
that.

In the second place, modern surgical procedures have turned the act
of abortion into a sheer slaughter, whose consequences, not only on
the body of the aborted woman, but also on her psyche, are
disastrous, and irremediable in most cases. In the ancient world,
there were oral contraceptives and early stage abortifacients, the
evidence of their usage is abundant. These were plant-based. People
observed the effects that plants had on animals and on themselves and
learned what to take to prevent or end pregnancy. The recipes of
these plant-based oral contraceptives and early stage abortifacients
were transmitted from generation to generation by women themselves,
more precisely by 'midwives'. This traditional knowledge started to
disappear at the beginning of the Renaissance, when the corporate
body of the physicians appeared, together with modern medicine. As
pointed out by a scholar, "the physicians had their place only when
female medical problems called for drastic or nonroutine action. By
the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, few physicians knew about
birth control agents, simply because it was not part of their
training in becoming doctors, nor was there a ready means to learn
about them during regular practice. The chain of learning broke, and
the chain of folk knowledge nearly broke". To explain the loss of
knowledge about the contraceptive effects of plants, another scholar
rightly points out that "male university trained physicians were in
financial competition with untrained midwives for patients. By
acknowledging that these wise women had something to teach, the
physicians undermined their air of authority which was their greatest
asset because they did not have knowledge".

They did not have knowledge and they obviously still don't. It is
often said that so-called modern medicine does not cure the cause of
a disease, but only its effects, and one only needs to have a look,
precisely, at its effects, which cause other diseases at an
exponential rate, to realise that it's the whole truth. In fact, it
would not be going too far to say that modern medicine is just large-
scale poisoning in the context of human sacrifices, of holocaust.
Now, whether Guénon and Guénonians like it or not, modern medicine's
principles are derived from the teaching of Arab and Jewish
physicians of the Middle Ages.

Thompkins&Cariou




Although Evola deals with marriage, family, and the relations of the
sexes in
"Ride the Tiger", he never specifically mentions abortion. In fact,
Evola's
position on the subject you are curious about is expressed more
clearly in the
chapter "The Problem of Births" in "Men Among the Ruins".

Although he never specifically mentions abortion as a means, Evola
speaks
out against the "bestial fecundity" of the masses, which is leading
to massive
overpopulation, in line with the emphasis the modern world places on
quantity over quality. Evola states that he thinks it would be
possible to limit
this crisis, as opposed to the idea that overpopulation is a "fire"
which is out of
human control.

You were right in stating that abortion was not as much as an issue
back then
in Europe as it is now in America. I may be incorrect, but until
relatively
recently (perhaps after Evola's death), I believe abortion was
illegal in
Europe, which means that when it did occur, it was a private and
messy thing.


Certainly, Evola would not take the position advocated by some
American
Judeo-conservatives and the Catholic Church, namely, that every life
is
sacred, and therefore any abortions, euthenasia, or executions are
crimes
against God. On the other hand, I somehow doubt that Evola, despite
his
aversion to overpopulation and mass fecundity, would see as a good
thing
the hundreds of thousands of abortions every year, mostly of white
children,
while the non-white races progressively multiply.

If anyone has any further information, I would appreciate it.



--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "skyegamble89"
<skyegamble89@y...> wrote:
>
> Although Evola deals with marriage, family, and the relations of the
> sexes in
> "Ride the Tiger", he never specifically mentions abortion. In fact,
> Evola's
> position on the subject you are curious about is expressed more
> clearly in the
> chapter "The Problem of Births" in "Men Among the Ruins".
>
> Although he never specifically mentions abortion as a means, Evola
> speaks
> out against the "bestial fecundity" of the masses, which is leading
> to massive
> overpopulation, in line with the emphasis the modern world places
on
> quantity over quality. Evola states that he thinks it would be
> possible to limit
> this crisis, as opposed to the idea that overpopulation is a "fire"
> which is out of
> human control.
>
> You were right in stating that abortion was not as much as an issue
> back then
> in Europe as it is now in America. I may be incorrect, but until
> relatively
> recently (perhaps after Evola's death), I believe abortion was
> illegal in
> Europe, which means that when it did occur, it was a private and
> messy thing.
>
> I have often wondered what Evola's position on abortion would be
> (perhaps
> he mentions it in one of his untranslated books, but I have read all
> of his work
> translated into English, and can find nothing particularly referring
> to abortion).
> Certainly, Evola would not take the position advocated by some
> American
> Judeo-conservatives and the Catholic Church, namely, that every life
> is
> sacred, and therefore any abortions, euthenasia, or executions are
> crimes
> against God. On the other hand, I somehow doubt that Evola, despite
> his
> aversion to overpopulation and mass fecundity, would see as a good
> thing
> the hundreds of thousands of abortions every year, mostly of white
> children,
> while the non-white races progressively multiply.
>
> If anyone has any further information, I would appreciate it.








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Although Evola deals with marriage, family, and the relations of the sexes in "Ride the Tiger", he never specifically mentions abortion. In fact, Evola's ...
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Hello, Julius Evola never tackled the question of abortion in his work, nor did he tackle it in any of the essays which were gathered, under his supervision,...
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