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Re: Evola and the 'Woman Question' (was : Query??)


You speak many words of fine wisdom…

===================

In fact men or at least those men in the Occidental world, are being
feminised at such an alarming rate, its scary.
Advertisements etc, show men in the usual passive role of the
sensitive type (not that it matters anymore we have all fallen hook
line and sinker for that Capitalist ploy). The androgynous species
of human, is upon us fast and it is being manufactured (consciously
or unconsciously I don't know). Why? Because one can get more
mileage and more selling power from such a generalised stereotype.

And as for the typical working class man who gets frustrated (like
myself); the only time they can feel alive, is when they knock seven
bells out of each other, usually after downing a mountain of alcohol
(Dutch courage) or as in Europe after a soccer match..

A pitiful state of affairs..


--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "evola_as_he_is"
<evola_as_he_is@y...> wrote:
>
>
> That excerpt from the 'Law of Manu', which is actually quoted
quite
> often by people who work themselves to death to prove that ancient
> Hindu society was not misogynist, applies to women who are in
> accordance with their inner nature, whereas the excerpt from
> the 'Brihadaranyaka Upanishad' which was quoted the other day
applies
> to representatives of the weaker sex who have betrayed their inner
> nature, and, more specifically, to the steps which should be taken
by
> a Kshatriya to put them back where they belong.
>
> As for the opinion according to which "Evola seems to be dedicated
> more to a critique of non-conventional females, as opposed to
actual
> women as a collective group", those who are of it are invited to
read
> again texts such as 'Do we live in a Gynaecocratic Society?',
which,
> as any of Evola's writings on the 'woman question', works on the
> principle that "non-conventional females" have become the
majority.
> Those who are not fooled by the word 'feminism' won't be surprised
to
> hear that the word 'feminism' is almost completely absent from
> Evola's writings on modern gynaecocracy. 'Feminism ' is only a
> catchword, a trap into which anti-feminist books like 'The Myth of
> Male Power' and anti-feminists site like www.savethemales.ca
(sic)
> fall merrily. Admittedly, Feminism as a verse collection of social
> theories, political movements, and moral philosophies motivated by
or
> concerning the experiences and the interests of women, especially
in
> terms of their social, political, and economic situation, still
> exists, chiefly in Anglo-Saxon countries ; certainly, it is still
> striving, as you know, to "eradicate and promote women's rights"
in
> those three fields, in which it has managed to get everything it
> wanted on issues such as reproductive rights, i.e. the right to
> choose an abortion, the elimination of legal restrictions on
> abortion, and access to contraception, maternity leave, equal pay,
so-
> called sexual harassment, so-called sexual violence, you name it.
> Certainly, that kind of movement always wants 'more' and will
never
> stop until it gets even 'more' ; women don't know what they want,
but
> they want it badly. The point is that the claims of feminism have
> gone far beyond the context of feminism and that, today, not only
> feminists are convinced that they have all those rights : in fact,
is
> there a female in the Western world which is not 'deeply'
convinced
> that she's got those rights, so to speak, by birth and by the mere
> fact of being a woman?
>
> Feminism as an ideology no longer exists in its former
aggressively
> activist form for the simple reason that it has achieved most of
its
> goals and, besides, it has turned any Western female into an
> unconscious feminist, who may condemn feminism, but behaves and
> thinks as a feminist, without her being aware of it. Unnaturality
has
> become, so to speak, natural.
>
>
>
> --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, Savitar Devi
> <savitar_devi@y...> wrote:
> >
> > By the same token, no one seems to quote this passage from the
> Laws of Manu either-
> >
> > '5. Status and Duties of Women
> >
> > 55. Women must be honoured and adorned by their fathers,
> brothers, husbands, and brothers-in-law, who desire (their own
> welfare).
> > 56. Where women are honoured, there the gods are pleased; but
> where they are not honoured, no sacred rite yields rewards.
> > 57. Where the female relations live in grief, the family soon
> perishes; but that family where they are not unhappy ever prospers.
> > 58. The houses on which female relations, not being duly
> honoured, pronounce a curse, perish completely, as if destroyed by
> magic.'
> >
> > Furthermore - '45. He only is a perfect man who consists (of
> three persons united), his wife, himself, and his offspring; thus
> (says the Veda), and learned brahmins propound this maxim
> likewise, "The husband is declared to be one with the wife'.'
> >
> > (A Sourcebook in Indian Philosophy, Moore & Radhakrishnan,
> Princeton University Press, 1957).
> >
> > Given that this is from the Laws of Manu, which are Vedic, it
can
> hardly be dismissed as non-Aryan in origin, yet it seems to be
> curiously absent.
> >
> > I think the key point some people are missing is that Evola
seems
> to be dedicated more to a critique of non-conventional females, as
> opposed to actual women as a collective group. The above passage
from
> Manu would not have applied to modern feminists though - a woman
who
> adopted a 'male' role lost her rights as a woman in Vedic times,
and
> was in general treated as a man.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > evola_as_he_is <evola_as_he_is@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > In the meantime, we are still waiting for one of
> > those 'traditionalists', 'Satanists' or 'neo-pagans' to set to
> music
> > this Stotra from the 'Brihadaranyaka Upanishad' (VI.4.7), that
is
> one
> > of the main Upanishads : "If she does not grant him his desire,
he
> > should buy her (with presents). If she still does not grant him
his
> > desire he should beat her with a stick or his hand ...", as well
as
> > other 'misogynist' parts of the Rig-Veda.
> >
> >
> >
> > Three heavens there are; two Savitar's, adjacent:
> > In Yama's world is one, home of heroes.
> > As on a linch-pin, firm, rest things immortal:
> > He who hath known it, let him here declare it.
> >
> > - Rig Veda I.35 (Griffith)
> >
> > Send instant messages to your online friends
> http://in.messenger.yahoo.com
> >
>









Mon Jan 2, 2006 8:12 pm

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Gentlemen, I am writing of the cuff here, so please forgive me, but I can not help feeling Evola was a queer who vented his disdain for the weaker sex; because...
darkiexx Offline Send Email Jan 1, 2006
9:53 am

Needless to apologise. Your thoughts and feelings about Evola are not uninteresting, insofar as they are overloaded with most of the ad hominem attacks which...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jan 1, 2006
4:50 pm

By the same token, no one seems to quote this passage from the Laws of Manu either- '5. Status and Duties of Women 55. Women must be honoured and adorned by...
Savitar Devi
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Jan 2, 2006
9:37 am

Thank you for setting me straight on this issue. As the adage goes, If one does not ask one will can never find out. Nevertheless, and ad hominem arguments to...
darkiexx Offline Send Email Jan 2, 2006
1:40 pm

That excerpt from the 'Law of Manu', which is actually quoted quite often by people who work themselves to death to prove that ancient Hindu society was not...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jan 2, 2006
7:16 pm

The Laws of Manu, in the section afterwards elaborates further on the issue of 'independence' so I am aware what context it is applied in. My point with that...
Savitar Devi
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Jan 3, 2006
9:41 am

You speak many words of fine wisdom… =================== In fact men or at least those men in the Occidental world, are being feminised at such an alarming...
darkiexx Offline Send Email Jan 3, 2006
9:44 am

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