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Elements of Racial Education -- Chap 4

Hello,

Evola was critical of the official views of National-Socialism on
race, as is clear from some of the texts published on
http://thompkins_cariou.tripod.com . However, National-Socialism was
far from being a monolithic entity; not all its representatives
uphold that materialist and biological view on race which Evola
criticised as being too close to scientific and social Darwinism;
not all of them followed in Darré's footsteps on these matters.
Evola's standpoint must have found an echo among some of them,
especially among some of the representatives of conservative-
revolution, whether writers or not, as shown, if need be, by the
project 'Sangue e spirito', a review which was meant to contribute
to strengthen the relationship between Germany and Italy in the
political and racial field; Evola was invited repeatedly to Berlin
during WW2 to finalise the programme of this review. However, this
project fell through. According to him, this failure was due to
Italian Catholic circles on one hand and to Italian official
racialist circles on the other hand, and, in any case, not to the
German side.

Evola's sympathies for Himmler's views are well-known to the Anglo-
Saxon readers of Evola, who, on the strength of the few excerpts of
Evola's political work which have been translated into English,
think that this Italian author was very critical of Hitler's views
on race. Evola was indeed very critical of them, as shown by the
chapter twelve of 'Il Mito del sangue', 'Adolf Hitler's racism'.
However, Evola's all-out criticisms of it should not hide the few
elements which those two different conceptions have in common. For
instance, in 'Heidnischer Imperialismus', France is described in
terms which should ring a bell to those who are familiar with 'Mein
Kampf': as a "decadent, Negerised and Semiticised" country,
the "first source of the modern insurrection of the slaves". The
leader of the Third Reich, just like Evola, was aware that 'pure
races' no longer exist, not to mention that, a few years before
Evola, he was also aware of the "practical and political advantages
which the use of the terms "race", "racial purity", "defence of
race", entails" ("Sintesi di dottrina della razza"). The idea,
developped by Evola in 'Sintesi di dottrina della razza', according
to which, in any people, there are different racial elements and,
once the different racial elements present in a given people are
determined and its higher and creative element is found, it is a
matter of defining it and of strengthening it, can be found roughly
in the second part of 'Mein Kampf'.

Thompkins&Cariou


--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Ciopa"
<hyperborean@b...> wrote:
> One has to wonder whether it even makes sense to continue to apply
the word
> "racism" to Evola's position.
>
>
>
> In contemporary usage, "racism" has become the worse of the deadly
sins. It
> is the arbitrary and irrational prejudice in favor of the members
of one
> race or against some other race. In this sense it refers to no
reality,
> either biological or metaphysical, and so is absurd.
>
>
>
> Evola's position is also quite different from the NS
understanding. Already
> in 1933, he is critical of that position
> (http://www.thule-italia.com/ns/osservazioni.html ).
>
> Evola opposes the uneasy conjunction of a merely biological
understanding or
> race with an almost theological notion of racial predestination.
>
>
>
> As we have seen in this chapter, "race" does not belong to the
individual
> simply as a biological entity, but only to the "aristocratic" type
able to
> develop his full racial consciousness. And, as the linked paper
points out,
> there is an important distinction: "whether spirit gives form to
race, or
> race to spirit".
>
>
>
> Furthermore, Evola is opposed to any notion of predestination
(which he
> calls a protestant idea), since he denies any determination in
racial
> consciousness - it can "be preserved, . developed, and really bear
fruit,
> just as it can be squandered and destroyed."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com]
>
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:45 AM
> To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [evola_as_he_is] Elements of Racial Education -- Chap
4
>
>
>
> As there are no wasted words in Evola's writings, it can be
difficult to
> summarize this work. Therefore, I am simply trying to make it
clear that I
> am picking out the main points of the essay and not adding in my
own
> opinions.
>
>
>
> In the past, I've indicated that I would not "accuse" Evola of
originality.
> However, as this essay lacks footnotes, it is impossible to me to
trace the
> sources of these teachings. Furthermore, as you point out, Evola
is no
> robot, since he contrasts the traditional teachings to modern
trends such as
> Lamarckianism and Marxism, ideologies unheard of in the
traditional texts.
>
>
>
> I am still not without hope that these summaries will provoke an
interest
> and discussion of 'The Elements .'. If that happens, it may be
appropriate
> to write in a more personal style.







Tue May 31, 2005 10:29 am

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One has to wonder whether it even makes sense to continue to apply the word "racism" to Evola's position. In contemporary usage, "racism" has become the worse...
Tony Ciopa
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May 25, 2005
10:07 am

Hello, Evola was critical of the official views of National-Socialism on race, as is clear from some of the texts published on ...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email May 31, 2005
10:31 am

Tony says "One has to wonder whether it even makes sense to continue to apply the word "racism" to Evola's position." -- I agree, and have always argued...
Rowan Berkeley
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May 26, 2005
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Hello, Would it make sense to stop applying to a given author's position the word precisely chosen by him to define his position? Of course, it wouldn't. Now,...
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Hello, Alternative voices for racism would show we do not believe in the race any more. All the rest is pure diplomacy, if not cowardice. Hitler and Mussolini...
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May 28, 2005
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Obviously, it was a rhetorical suggestion, not necessarily to be taken literally. Presumably, the point of writing books - and even personal discussions - is...
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Jun 3, 2005
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In this chapter – “Race and Nation” – Evola clarifies the distinction between race and nation. By “race”, Evola means something more specific and...
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May 28, 2005
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In this section - "Meaning of Racial Prophylaxis" - Evola suggests some actions required by the situation of impure races in the nations (a topic addressed in...
Tony Ciopa
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May 31, 2005
10:22 am

In this section, "The Danger of Counter-Selection", Evola continues the discussion of "racial prophylaxis". He mentions the need for a precise racial ideal...
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Jul 10, 2005
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Evola now expands on his understanding of race in this chapter entitled "Spirit and Race". Evola accepts the traditional tripartite understanding of man and is...
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Jul 12, 2005
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Chapter 9, "Importance of the Theory of the Inner Races", may serve to begin to clarify precisely what Evola is "seeing". The fundamental doctrine of this...
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Dec 8, 2005
8:56 am

This is how Evola describes the man of race: Soul: The soul experiences the world the world as something before which it takes a stand actively, which regards...
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Dec 8, 2005
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Chapter 10 is titled "The Face of the Various Races". Evola explains that the broad racial categories of white, black, yellow, red, etc. do not suffice. He...
Tony Ciopa
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Dec 9, 2005
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In this chapter, "The Problem of Spiritual Races", we reach the core of Evola's project. As previously mentioned, race manifests itself not only in body and...
Tony Ciopa
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Dec 19, 2005
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This chapter holds the key to everything Evola. It is clear that he opposes the Enlightenment ideal that reason and the empirical sciences will create a body...
Tony Ciopa
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Dec 19, 2005
1:54 pm

After scrutinizing the multitude of previous posts on this list, I feel (suprarationally) that I am now reasonably up to date with the progression through the...
savitar_devi Offline Send Email Dec 21, 2005
4:22 pm

Evola refers to the traditional distinction between soul and spirit in countless occasions, and explains it, from 'Revolt against the Modern World' to 'The...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 21, 2005
5:06 pm

This is why it is helpful to have the text ready at hand, rather than to rely on a summary. The race of the soul is "connected to life", that is, the "quality...
Tony Ciopa
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Dec 22, 2005
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Everybody knows the hermetic transposition of body, soul and spirit was sulphur-salt-mercury, while in the Olympian hierarchy are the three divine brothers,...
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Dec 22, 2005
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The title of Chapter 12 is "Races and Origins" in which Evola points out the importance of the study of origins and prehistory. But first, he must dispose of...
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Dec 24, 2005
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I do not know how much reliable, but here is an evolian solstice thought on 'ex oriente lux': S. H. Nasr refers that when he met Evola in Rome and asked about...
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Dec 25, 2005
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Evola certainly did not show the leniency you are displaying towards the current Italian people, since he added that post-war Italy had become the kingdom of...
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I thank the owner to quote the Evola's reference to pizza and gondolas: now I feel more at home here, but my intention was only to point out the uselessness of...
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Dec 27, 2005
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In several places, Evola explains what he means by "seeing", or direct intuitive knowledge of reality. He opposes this type of knowing to its alternatives: the...
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Dec 30, 2005
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In Hinduism the term for this type of 'sight' (applicable only in a metaphorical sense and not a direct epistemological one) is Darsana. This is the type of...
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Dec 31, 2005
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It would be better to know the thing directly rather than the most precise definition of the thing. ... From: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com...
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Dec 31, 2005
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In this chapter entitled "Nordic-Western Migrations", Evola introduces a fundamental theme of his doctrine of race, viz., that the primordial origin of the...
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Jan 3, 2006
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Evola clarifies "the Problem of "Latinity" in this chapter. He takes pains to dispel the idea of "Latinity" as applied to Italy at that time. The Latin myth is...
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Jan 9, 2006
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Chapter 15 is entitled "Race, Romanity and Italian History". Here, Evola enunciates the principle that "in order to progress form racial theory to practice,...
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Jan 23, 2006
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In <evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com> Tony Ciopa <hyperborean@...> wrote. ... Are you sure on the word Church, or is a lapsus for Ghibellinism?...
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