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Re: [evola_as_he_is] Heidnischer Imperialismus

I' m sorry today you are all in a black mood, anyway, to me, it is better to express frankly and loyally our ideas rather than do it slipping away to another list or environment. 
 
Since as even Troy shows following wisely the Latin proverbs on the idleness (Otium utile est, referre se in otium, otium litteratum, et cetera...) please, do not force me to break my sacred idleness making a hard research on every time and context in which Evola used the word "veggenza". I simply assumed  he did not intend that word like Rudolf Steiner or Papus, but from a point of view a bit wide. That's all. 
 
 
 
 To be more specific, both 'Imperialismo pagano' and 'Heidnischer
Imperialismus' have five chapters, of which four bear the same
title :

I. 'We, anti-Europeans'
II 'Conditions for Empire'
III. 'The democratic Mistake'
IV. 'The Roots of European Evil'

In 'Heidnischer Imperialismus', the fifth chapter of 'Imperialismo
pagano', 'Heathen values and Christian values', is called 'Our
European Symbol'. Beyond this, there are major differences between
both texts, and most readers agree that the German version is far
more accomplished than the Italian one.

Are you sure that 'H.I.' was designed to fit with the German
mentality? Rather, wasn't it designed to capture the mind of the best
elements in the German hierarchy of that time in the name of a
synthesis between the German eagle and the Roman eagle?

If 'veggenza', a word which Evola seldom used, doesn't only have
occultist connotations in that excerpt from 'H.I.', what kind of
other connotations does it have, then, according to you? Before
speculating and worrying about the connotation(s) of a word,
shouldn't we start with focusing on its denotation?


Wed Dec 7, 2005 5:18 pm

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To be more specific, both 'Imperialismo pagano' and 'Heidnischer Imperialismus' have five chapters, of which four bear the same title : I. 'We, anti-Europeans'...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 7, 2005
4:21 pm

I' m sorry today you are all in a black mood, anyway, to me, it is better to express frankly and loyally our ideas rather than do it slipping away to another...
vandermok
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Dec 7, 2005
5:23 pm

Instead of trying to evade them by referring, in the most detached manner, to the current mood of the members of this forum, or rather to what you assume their...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 7, 2005
7:19 pm

Some sort of detached metaphysical vision, not religious or mystic, without any identification with the object, a knowledge deprived of the pathos of the...
vandermok
charltonroad36 Offline Send Email
Dec 7, 2005
8:08 pm

Your reactions are exactly the same as those of the religious dogmatists I correspond with : we possess the mystic flame, love us or leave us, and if you...
Rowan Berkeley
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Dec 4, 2005
8:34 pm

We grasp this opportunity you have given us to point at other significant differences between pre-Christian cults of Aryan nature and Christianity, already...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 5, 2005
2:03 pm

oh, come on, what is the idea of aryanism if not a dogma? ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get?...
Rowan Berkeley
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Dec 5, 2005
4:17 pm

... The Roman: hostem cum fugeret, se Fannius ipse peremit. hic, rogo, non furor est, ne moriare, mori? "As he was fleeing the enemy, Fannius killed himself. I...
kshonan88 Offline Send Email Dec 16, 2005
10:10 am

As a matter of fact, in Sanskrit, 'jiv' means 'life, 'life- force' ; 'ji', 'to struggle', 'to beat', 'to win', to 'conquer'. Needless to elaborate. ... dying ...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 16, 2005
8:53 pm

Joseph Campbell and Hans Zimmer hypothesized that some contradictions of the Zoroastrianism show just the presence of a pre-Aryan matriarchal cult in Iran. ...
vandermok
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Dec 6, 2005
4:24 pm

In which of Campbell and/or Zimmer's works can the information on pre-Aryan matriarchy be found? vandermok <vandermok@...> wrote: Joseph Campbell and...
Savitar Devi
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Dec 7, 2005
9:15 am

J. Campbell, Philosophies of India (The Bollingen series, XXVI) New York 1951. Also H.S. Nyberg, Die Religionen des Alten Iran, Leipzig 1938. I have not them;...
vandermok
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Dec 7, 2005
12:31 pm

I'd be very interested to read more about this, too, if anyone else can provide quotations. vandermok <vandermok@...> wrote: J....
Troy Southgate
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Dec 7, 2005
12:59 pm

To Whom It May Concern: Southgate would like someone else to do the research for him, since he does not feel up to doing it himself. He will then probably...
Tony Ciopa
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Dec 7, 2005
3:05 pm

Would it not be wise for the monitor of this group to delete all the "ad hominems"? ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired...
caleb afendopoulo
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Dec 7, 2005
4:45 pm

We tolerate 'ad hominem' attacks to a certain extent, to the extent that, as pointed out by Seneca, as well as by Evola in 'Sintesi di dottrina della razza',...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 7, 2005
4:59 pm

thank you for your reply. it just seemed to us that some of the replies bordered on childishness and/or based upon previous personal encounters which we are ...
caleb afendopoulo
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Dec 7, 2005
7:00 pm

In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com ... I agree that ataraxia is the best thing, but perhaps a justified feeling of hurt can rise when an 'ad hominem' attack...
vandermok
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Dec 9, 2005
12:38 pm

My own research speaks for itself: http://www.rosenoire.org (thanks for the chance to plug my website, Tony) Tony Ciopa <hyperborean@...> wrote:...
Troy Southgate
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Dec 7, 2005
8:07 pm

Troy Southgate wrote ... Think nothing of it, Tory - it is better to give than to receive!...
Tony Ciopa
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Dec 8, 2005
8:55 am

Thanks again, Tone. Tony Ciopa <hyperborean@...> wrote: Troy Southgate wrote ... Think nothing of it, Tory –...
Troy Southgate
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Dec 8, 2005
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