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This is the explanation given by Evola : "here, an idea which has
filled, in special conditions, the subconscious of the mother as
a 'complex' has had a formative influence on birth, even years after".

Did he have in mind Ovid who alludes to adultery in a story from
Roman mythology in which white Aurora and white Tithonus produce a
black son : "A black son was born to you, the color of his mother's
heart. I might wish that Tithonus could talk about you. No woman
would ever be more morally disgraced in heaven"?

It is doubtful.

In passing, the theory of interracial atavism is not new. Aristotle
explained that the coloured son of a white woman was a hereditary
throwback to the child's grandfather. To substantiate it, he gave the
example of a white woman cohabiting at Elis with a Negro, whose
daughter, who had a coloured son, was not a Negro. Greek author
Antigonus of Carystus (IIIrd century B.C.) and Greek scholar
Aristophanes of Byzantium (IIIrd century B.C.) both incorporated
Aristotle's account into their own works. More than three centuries
after Aristotle, Plutarch and Pliny presented other examples of
interracial atavism.

Maternal impression was the other theory used to account for how a
coloured baby could be born to two white parents. Evola refers to
that theory in that excerpt from 'Sintesi di dottrina della razza'.
Pliny explained it as follows :

"A great many likenesses that appear accidental were influenced by
sense impressions of sights and sounds received at the time of
conception. A trivial thought suddenly crossing the mind of either
parent will also produce likeness."

It was believed that, at the time of conception, the mind of the
white woman was influenced by a thought of a black man, and that a
deep and violent impression was left upon her and she produced
a 'black' child. Roman rhetorician Calpurnius Flaccus (IId century
A.D.) discussed pro and con views of maternal impression in his
speech 'Negro Birth'. On one hand, "Each people keeps its own
appearance... The types of mortal men are diverse, yet no one is
dissimilar to his own people." On the other hand, under the influence
of maternal impression, the dark colour of the child can be explained
as "skin scorched by imperfection of the blood." According to the
Father of the Church Jerome, "Nor is it strange that this is the
nature of women in their conceiving, namely that they beget the kind
of offspring which they see or they conceive in their minds in the
extreme heat of passion." Saint Jerome mentions how, by using that
argument, the Roman rhetorician Quintilian (Ist A.D.) pleaded the
case of a Roman matron who gave birth to a mulatto child.

Interracial atavism has been demonstrated by modern science, whereas
the theory of maternal impression doesn't appear to have survived
into modern times. Yet, in the XVIth century, the English poet and
author Richard Brathwait still referred to it in a poem. The London
Morning Post of December 22, 1786 alluded to maternal impression in
an article about mulattos.

Finally, there is a good reason why Evola speaks of a "coloured"
child, and not of a "black" child. It's not just because a white
woman can have children with men of another race than the white race
and the black race, it's also because white women can produce mulatto
children but not black ones. "Black" is used figuratively here.




--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "darklittleflame"
<ads694@h...> wrote:
>
> thank you for this.
>
> --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "evola_as_he_is"
> <evola_as_he_is@y...> wrote:
> >
>
> > The fact is that a white couple can give birth to a coloured
> > child, 'genetic throwbacks' are not unheard of, and that 'limit'
> > case' of telegenesis ('birth at a distance') is studied by
> > genetics. For that biological quirk to happen, one of the parents
> > only have to have one coloured ancestor, and recessive genes do
> > the rest.
>
> I can understand this. Yet, given the relevant quote (which is all
I
> have from sintesi) Evola seems to be implying that mere past sexual
> conduct w/a black man can then produce a black baby w/a future
white
> sexual partner. How would this occur w/out having a coloured
> ancestor?
>
> > What's the title of that essay by Sheehan?
>
> The essay is 'Diventare Dio: Julius Evola and the Metaphysics of
> Fascism' found in Stanford Italian Review v.6 December 1986.
>
> It only mentions Evola's racial theories in passing in order to
> dismiss them.
>









Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:32 pm

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in an essay i obtained by Sheehan he quotes from Evola's 'sintesi di dottrina della razza' (p125) on a "limit case" called "telegenesis." "A [white] woman...
darklittleflame Offline Send Email Nov 16, 2005
8:09 am

The exact terms are as follows : "A white woman whose sexual relations with a coloured man (uomo di colore) have been over for years can, nonetheless, in union...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Nov 16, 2005
11:30 am

The exact terms are as follows : "A white woman whose sexual relations with a coloured man (uomo di colore) have been over for years can, nonetheless, in union...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Nov 16, 2005
11:37 am

thank you for this. ... I can understand this. Yet, given the relevant quote (which is all I have from sintesi) Evola seems to be implying that mere past...
darklittleflame Offline Send Email Nov 17, 2005
9:19 am

This is the explanation given by Evola : "here, an idea which has filled, in special conditions, the subconscious of the mother as a 'complex' has had a...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Nov 18, 2005
9:24 am

Rudolf Gorsleben believed that two White parents could give birth to a mulatto child if the mother had previously mated with a man of another ethnicity. I ...
Michael Lord
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Nov 18, 2005
5:19 pm

... Are there any writings By Evola (preferably in English) where he elaborates on what he means by a 'complex' in this regard? I am still having some trouble...
darklittleflame Offline Send Email Nov 24, 2005
8:09 pm

... sorry, i meant ova not ovaries....
darklittleflame Offline Send Email Nov 25, 2005
8:49 am

To the best of our knowledge, Evola didn't elaborate on what he meant by a 'complex' in this respect ; he didn't go deeper into the concept of 'maternal...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Nov 26, 2005
12:21 pm

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