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It's Schwaller de Lubicz, who also saw what the "pharaonic Great
Work" and the Christian revelation had in common from a symbolic
point of view, to whom we may owe the most accurate definition of the
Neter, the five functional principles of Nature : Osiris, Isis, Seth,
and Nephtys are representations of the immanent functions, or
characteristics, of the four elements, while Horus is the
quintessence, the active and immaterial fire. In the well-
documented 'The King of Pharaonic Theocracy', two paths are
distinguished, that of Osiris, the karmic one, that of rebirths, and
the Horian path, also called "the roads of Râ", the solar path.
Shemsou-Hor "applied to the superior beings who gave birth to the
race of the Pharaohs, in opposition with the mass of the people,
which followed the common path, that of Osiris"

How does this fit what we know of Horus and of Osiris in the Osirian
myth? "There in the papyrus she [Isis] brought forth Horus, and there
she [left him] unknown to anyone. During her absence one scorpion
stung the child, and he died. When Isis returned and found Horus
lying dead, she rent with her cries of grief, and made bitter lament.
Her sister Nephthys appeared, and made so fervent an appeal to the
god in the Boat of Millions of Years, the Boat stopped, and Thoth
came down and provided Isis with the words of power which restored
Horus to life" (Diodorus, Book 1)

In all the various Osirian myths which have been handed down to us,
whether in the version of Diodorus, in that of Plutarch or in that of
other authors, both gods died.

There are two main things to bear in mind in this connection : first,
Egyptian mythology was not unchanging ; as a matter of fact, it
varied quite a lot from the Old kingdom to the New kingdom, which is
often taken as reference by "orthodox" Egyptologists. Second, the
Osirian myth is a popular myth ; it marks the democratisation of the
after-life. It is not by chance that the Osirian cult became popular,
especially outside of Egypt, in the Greek and Roman worlds, in which
no god, unlike Osiris, could promise eternal afterlife, and that it
was especially popular with women and individuals of foreign and
lower birth. In short, among classes of people at the bottom of Roman
society and of Greek society, in which "the ferment of national
decomposition and of cosmopolitanism which Judaism is" (Mommsen,
quoted by Evola in 'L'Ebraismo nel mondo antico') was already at
work.

We may thus wonder whether Horus as depicted in the Osirian myth
corresponds to Horus as conceived of in early Egyptian
mythology. "The name "Horus" is a general catchall for multiple
deities, the most famous of whom is Harseisis (Heru-sa-Aset) or Horus-
son-of-Isis (sometimes called Horus the Younger) who was conceived
after the death of his father, and who later avenged him. In all the
Horus deities the traits of kingship, sky and solar symbology, and
victory reoccur. As the prototype of the earthly king, there were as
many Horus gods as there were rulers of Egypt, if not more.

The oldest of the Horus gods is appropriately named Horus the Elder
(Heru-ur), and was especially venerated in pre-Dynastic Upper Egypt
along with. In this very ancient form, Horus is also a creator god,
the falcon who flew up at the beginning of time. The pre-Pharaohnic
rulers of Upper Egypt were considered "shemsu-Heru" or "followers of
Horus", and the original Horus is himself considered in some myths to
be the brother of Seth and Osiris, second-born of the five children
of Geb and Nut (Osiris, Horus, Seth, Nephthys). Horus the Elder's
city was Letopolis, and his eyes were thought to be the sun and moon.
When these two heavenly bodies are invisible (as on the night of the
new moon) he goes blind and takes the name Mekhenty-er-irty, "He who
has no eyes". When he recovers them, he becomes Khenty-irty, "He who
has eyes". A warrior-god armed with a sword, Horus could be
especially dangerous to those around him in his vision-deprived
state, and during one battle in particular he managed to not only
knock off the heads of his enemies but of the other deities fighting
alongside him, thus plunging the world into immediate confusion that
was only relieved when his eyes returned.

Other notable Horus gods are the previously mentioned Harseisis, as
well as Horus of Behdet (sometimes called simply Behdety) who was
represented as a winged sun disk, Anhur (a form of Horus the Elder
and Shu), Horakhety (Ra-Heru-akhety) who was a syncretism of Ra and
Horus, and Harpokrates (Heru-pa-khered) or Horus the Child. In the
form of Harpokrates, Horus is the danger-beset son of Isis with one
finger to his lips, signifying his childish nature (also evident in
his princely sidelock and naked status). Harpokrates represented not
only the royal heir, but also the newborn sun.

Horus deities are frequently depicted as hawks or hawk-headed men,
though some are represented as fully human. The pharaoh was
considered to be the Living Horus, the temporal stand-in for Horus in
the earthly domain. As the opponent of Seth (who, though initially an
Upper Egyptian deity himself, later came to represent not only Lower
Egypt but the desert surrounding Egypt), Horus is alternately a
brother vying for the throne and unification of Egypt (Horus the
Elder), or a royal heir come to reclaim his inheritance (Horus the
Younger). ("Myth and Symbol in Ancient Egypt", R.T. Rundle Clark).

Let's go deeper into this, with another scholar, to realise that the
original Horus has nothing to do with the later Horus.

"Egyptologists have shown that the underlying concept of Ancient
Egyptian theocracy was that while the king was alive he was a
reincarnation of Horus, the first man-god king of Egypt, and was
hailed as the son of Osiris and Isis."

We remember: Horus appears in the Osiris myth as child of Isis and
Osiris. On the other hand we know that in earliest dynastic times,
and even before, the pharaoh was identified with Horus. Even the
oldest known name form of an Egyptian king is the so-called Horus-
name. If Horus is the child if Isis and Osiris, and Horus is even
older than ancient, Osiris MUST be as ancient, too.

The Osiris-myth starts even in Plutarchs retelling earlier. It begins
with the creation of the earth by Geb and Nut. At that time the
prominent gods were born: Isis, Osiris, Seth, Nephtys - and Horus!

But Horus is, as we read above, the child of Isis and Osiris? Yes,
Plutarch was aware of the fact that there was a mix-up. He lived
about 2500 years after the earliest mentioning of the myth, and there
was a lot of change in the mean time and he was confronted with many
pieces not fitting together. So he used a trick and declared Horus to
be the brother AND son of Osiris:

"Isis and Osiris were so in love even before their birth, so that
they went together in the darkness of the womb of Nut. Some claim
that Haroeris was conceived that way, and he was called "the older
Horus" (Horsemsu) by the Egyptians, and Apollo by the Greek."
This explanation doesn't work with other parts of the myth, where for
example the already dead and resurrected Osiris has intercourse with
Isis or her representation (like a bird). But if Horus was at least
brother of Osiris since oldest times, this would still be acceptable
to demonstrate an early Osiris.

But unfortunately even this part of the legend, the birth of the 5
Epagomes (that's the greek name for the children of Geb and Nut;
Isis, Osiris, Seth, Nephtys and Horus) is not very old either. The
first mentioning of the Epagomes is in the very late pyramid texts,
in one single instance in a queen's pyramid in PT § 1963 c. By the
way: the situation of an early Isis as lover of Osiris has a similar
bad evidence situation.

Horus is an old god. But the old falcon god we know from the earliest
periods of Egypt has nothing to do with the later Horus.

The old falcon god (Hr Smsw or Hor semsu, - Horus the older, as he
was called by the Egyptians to distinct him from Horus, son of Isis,
Harsiese), is a sky god, who is called "Lord of the sky" in the
pyramid texts. It is this god who is depicted in the early falcon
representations (and in the titularies of the pharaohs). His mother
is according to the pyramid texts Hathor, only later she is replaced
by Geb and Nut.

We even have utterance 534 in the pyramid texts, which defines the
difference between Horus the older and the gods of the Osiris circle,
including Horus the younger: starting in § 1264 Horus the older
starts a speech, during which he advises the Pharaoh not to open his
arms to Horus the younger and his "bad things".(§ 1268)

"A" horus came relatively late into the Osiris myth. As early as 1934
Adolf Erman wrote:

"The real home of Horus might have been in the Delta region; we can
conclude that from the fact alone that he was the national god of
this part of the country, whereas upper Egypt belonged to Seth. Both
gods together were the rulers of Egypt."

Ups, Horus and Seth? Not Osiris and Seth? Right, the "dynamic duo" of
old times consisted of Horus and Seth - and therefore an early
existence of Seth is also no evidence for an earlier Osiris. Erman
continues:

"Horus became particularly popular, when he was integrated into the
Osiris myth, where he aroused sympathy as poor orphan Horus, son of
Isis, Harsiesis."

Although Erman was follower of the then popular "ancient Osiris"
thesis he could not help to notice, that there were many parts in the
Osiris myth which couldn't have been there from the beginning, like
the Eye of Horus or the antagonists Horus and Seth His analyses of
the Pyramid Texts showed similar results, I will deal with them later.

Bonnet writes about the development of Horus: "As far as we can see
the great falcon god Horus is the first of the local gods who gained
a country wide dominance. He acquired this in prehistoric times. Even
the two kingdoms, the predecessors of the unified Egypt of historic
times, honor him in heir capitals .. as their main god.

His largest role is that of the king's god. In this role he exists in
the prehistoric kingdoms besides the goddesses Nebchet and Uto."

So Horus did exist even before the rest of the Egyptian pantheon was
fully formed! Therefore any claim of a "natural connection" between
Horus and Osiris is invalid. Bonnet continues:
"The kingship of Horus is as much the basis for the dogma of the king
as it is the gestalt of Horus himself. ... Now and then similar
claims from other gods like Seth, lord of Ombos, appeared. But they
didn't succeed in overthrowing him, the leading role of Horus stays
undisturbed. ... The rivalry between Horus and Seth did not end in a
fight which lead to the total destruction of one side; it ends in the
typical Egyptian way of a fair compensation. ... Each of the two gods
got one half of Egypt as a domain. ..."

So Seth arrived on the stage much later than Horus. And not as the
enemy to the death he was in later texts. Bonnet continues:
"The fighting myth comes in a third circle Horus is integrated into.
He becomes son of Isis... and becomes member of the Osiris circle. ...
Initially Horus had nothing to do with the gods of Busiris. In fact
his introduction lead to major problems in the genealogy of these
gods which lead to an artificial split of Horus in two entities, in
special to the creation of "Horus the older".

This makes clear that Horus as son of Isis is an artificial product,
a result of the syncretism of Egyptian religion in the time of the
Old Kingdom. And it's also clear that the original Horus has nothing
to do with Horus the son of Isis. And therefore we can conclude that
the early Horus is no evidence whatsoever for an early Osiris.

Another symbol for an early Osiris does not come from Bauval himself,
but several defenders of his thesis used it to strengthen the case.
But the case with this symbol is pretty much similar to Horus."

Traditional writings must be discriminated. To quote Evola, it is not
because a teaching is traditional that it is true, it is because it
is true that it is traditional.





--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "Rowan Berkeley"
<rowan_berkeley@y...> wrote:
> well that's very informative. I wonder whether you feel that what
you say about the perishable nature of Osiris
> applies equally to Horus? On the one hand, Horus is the avenger of
Osiris' murder by Set, but on another Horus
> and Set are constantly trying to kill each other, usually by magic,
so it would not appear that Horus is
> actually immortal, any more than any of the others we mention here
(except, on your view, the archaic Ra).
> However, Horus is associated with the sun to a much greater degree
than Osiris.








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