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Julius Evola and The 'Independent Theosophical Association of Rome'   Message List  
Reply Message #548 of 1563 |
Re: Evola, Nietzsche, Baudelaire, and the 'Woman Question'

--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "evola_as_he_is"
<evola_as_he_is@y...> wrote:
>
>
> At this point, it may not be a luxury to say a few words about
> Nietzsche's views on woman.

More, directly from his works.

"Man should be trained for war and woman for the recreation of the
warrior : all else is folly..." (Thus Spake Zarathustra, Old and
Young Women)


"To be mistaken in the fundamental problem of "man and woman," to
deny here the profoundest antagonism and the necessity for an
eternally hostile tension, to dream here perhaps of equal rights,
equal training, equal claims and obligations: this is a typical sign
of shallow-mindedness, and a thinker who has proved himself shallow
at this dangerous spot - shallow in instinct! - may be regarded as
suious, nay more, as betrayed, as discovered; he will probably prove
be too "short" for all the fundamental questions of life, future as
well as present, and will be unable to descend into any of the
depths. On the other hand, a man who has depth of spirit as well as
of desires, and also the depth of benevolence which is capable of
severity and harshness, and easily confounded with them, can only
think of woman as Orientals do:he must conceive of her as a
possession, as confinable property, as a being predestined for
service and accomplishing her mission therein - he must take his
stand in this matter upon the immense rationality of Asia, upon the
superiority of the instinct of Asia, as the Greeks did formerly..."
[Beyond Good and Evil, 238]


"Woman is unspeakably more wicked than man, also cleverer. Goodness
in woman is really nothing but a form of degeneracy." [Daybreak]


"Far too long hath there been a slave and a tyrant concealed in
woman. On that account woman is not yet capable of friendship:
she knoweth only love." [Thus Spake Zarathustra]

"In woman's love there is injustice and blindness to all she doth not
love. And even in woman's conscious love, there is still always
surprise and lightning and night, along with the light.
As yet woman is not capable of friendship: women are still cats and
birds. Or at the best, cows." [ib.]


Nietzsche on the Greek Woman:
http://www.publicappeal.org/library/nietzsche/Nietzsche_various/the_gr
eek_woman.htm

On Woman and Child:
http://www.publicappeal.org/library/nietzsche/Nietzsche_human_all_too_
human/sect7_Woman_and_child.htm











Thu Jan 5, 2006 3:36 pm

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The 'Independent Theosophical Association of Rome' was established in 1897 by two groups of Roman Theosophists which existed since 1895 over a lending library...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 26, 2005
8:42 pm

Did not Theosophy in general, attract many ladies due to the presence of Madame Blavatsky? There seems to be a qualitative judgement formed by women, that if...
Savitar Devi
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Dec 29, 2005
11:08 am

As early as 1925 in 'L'individuo e il divenire del mondo', an implicit reference was made by Evola to Nietzsche : "The I, basically, is not a thing, a 'fact',...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 29, 2005
3:48 pm

It is ultimately very Nietzschean to disagree with Nietzsche, so paradoxically it is actually a far greater credit to Nietzsche that Evola plays by providing a...
Savitar Devi
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Dec 31, 2005
9:37 am

... I read Nietzsche as emphasizing `the reality of chaos and of the irrational' not as a `ground' to replace the nihilistic otherworldly fictions of...
darklittleflame Offline Send Email Dec 31, 2005
11:16 pm

Alain Danielou links Shiva (male Tantric essence) directly with Dionysus in his work 'Gods of Love and Ecstasy'. If one reads it though, they should be aware...
Savitar Devi
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Jan 1, 2006
11:39 pm

At this point, it may not be a luxury to say a few words about Nietzsche's views on woman. To do this, a convenient starting point is given to us by the...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jan 3, 2006
9:39 pm

Interesting, I was not aware of that statement in the 'Unpublished Notebooks'. Maya, is of course also a woman - at once the demon architect, and the essence...
Savitar Devi
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Jan 4, 2006
9:23 am

... More, directly from his works. "Man should be trained for war and woman for the recreation of the warrior : all else is folly..." (Thus Spake Zarathustra,...
kshonan88 Offline Send Email Jan 5, 2006
4:57 pm

What about this little extract? 'Will and willingness - Someone took a youth to a sage and said: "Look, he is being corrupted by women." The sage shook his...
Savitar Devi
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Jan 5, 2006
10:31 pm

One should not have a fixation about the figure of the Nietzschean 'Superman', indeed. Spengler - if we are not mistaken, it was him - rightly noted that,...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jan 2, 2006
11:09 am

That professor who coined the potent expression 'anti-Nazi sex-shop literature' to describe everything which is linked with the caricatural representation of...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jan 3, 2006
9:48 am

It doesn't look like Theosophy attracted many ladies due to the presence of Blavatsky. Her early followers, as you suspect, were mostly males, at least in...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 31, 2005
9:37 am

Your theory on the charity movement is interesting. I had once heard that the rise of feminism was linked with the philosophy of John Stuart Mill; however I...
Savitar Devi
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Jan 1, 2006
11:41 pm

The description you make of Baudelaire can be applied to thousands of other men, to hundreds of other artists, whose work, however, was not quoted in...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jan 2, 2006
1:50 pm

Firstly, before continuing my problem with the inclusion of Baudelaire with the other writers cited, I must proclaim that I was at one, time an avid fan of...
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Jan 3, 2006
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