Thank you, that was intellectual forensics if there ever was.
From: Evola <evola_as_he_is@...>
To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 2:00 PM
Subject: [evola_as_he_is] Re: De Giorgio (it was: Reghini and Pythagorism)
"In the midst of the Hellenic world Pythagoras restored religion and life to the old [non Aryan] foundations, he attempted to give a new consecration to existence and to satisfy man's profounder religious needs by reviving the mystery of the chthonian-maternal cults. Essentially Pythagoreanism does not develop Hellenism but combats it. As one of our sources says, a breath of the hoariest antiquity blows through it. Its origins lie, not in the wisdom of the Greeks, but in the more ancient lore of the Orient, of the static African and Asian world."
'Myth, Religion, and Mother Right: Selected Writings of J.J. Bachofen' (available (in part) at http://books.google.fr/books/about/Myth_religion_and_mother_right.html?id=3qhQuWPNUckC&redir_esc=y
--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "G. van der Heide" <vnvsmvndvs@...> wrote:
>
> There's a text on Pythagorism by J.J. Bachofen to be found in 'Der Mythos
> von Orient und Okzident' (A. Baumler).
>
> From the table of contents :
> *Rückkehr des Pythogrismus zum demetrischen Prinzipat in der Religion. Der
> gemeinsame priesterliche Weihecharakter Theanos, Sapphos, Diotimas, der
> pythagorischen, ailoischen, pelasgischen Frauen überhaupt Wiederbelebung
> der Kulturzüge des ältesten Mutterrechts und der pelasgischen
> Mysterienreligion in ihrer Verbindung mit dem Hervortreten der
> pythagorischen Frauen. Analoge Erscheinungen : der Einfluss des
> demetrischen und des christlichen Mariakultus auf die Erhaltung und neue
> Begründung der staatlichen Gynaikokratie.*
>
> 2012/2/25 Asdfasdsfdas Sfsdf <andreforcordelia@...>
>
> >
> > If anyone is listening with the ability, Reghini and De Giorgio would
> > both make excellent reading material for the intellect-starved desert of
> > the Anglosphere "right wing."
> > Having met several "traditionalists" in the US, followers of Guenon and
> > Cutsinger, I am discovering that if there will ever be a mainstream
> > recognition of this movement it will be quickly be absorbed into zionist
> > 'conservatism' and new age unitarianism, another reason I stick with
> > Schopenhauer as an inspiration for reaction. Schopenhauer was at least,
> > "numinous," and even "dharmic" compared to the esoteric worshippers of
> > Allah/YWHA, the danger of which, I credit Evola_as_he_is for deeper
> > comprehension on the issue.
> >
> > Another work I have looked for in translation:
> > http://books.google.pl/books?id=_ItttHcYKsgC&printsec=frontcover&hl=pl&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* vandermok <vandermok@...>
> > *To:* evola as he is <evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com>
> > *Sent:* Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:54 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [evola_as_he_is] De Giorgio (it was: Reghini and
> > Pythagorism)
> >
> >
> > 
> > It's a very interesting book of 323 pages, a bit visionary and probably
> > more close to Guénon than to Evola. Anyway my English has rusted by now for
> > translating (apart from the laziness). Fortunately we have a polyglot
> > owner...
> > An example:
> >
> > "Mentre nei Sacerdoti domina la conoscenza, nei Guerrieri domina l'amore,
> > perché tutta la loro forza è una specie di offerta in un inappagamento
> > continuo che si placa solo con la morte... (...)
> > Chi non sa uccidere se stesso, non saprà mai uccidere o, per meglio dire,
> > uccidendo egli profanerà la vita e la morte perché la sua causa non è
> > sacra..."
> > -----------
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Asdfasdsfdas Sfsdf <andreforcordelia@...>
> > *To:* evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
> > *Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2012 5:38 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [evola_as_he_is] Re: Reghini and Pythagorism
> >
> >
> > I am someone jealous of those with fluency in Italian at this moment,
> > did anyone get a chance to read Guido de Giorgio's La Tradizione Romana?
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Evola <evola_as_he_is@...>
> > *To:* evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
> > *Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2012 3:17 PM
> > *Subject:* [evola_as_he_is] Re: Reghini and Pythagorism
> >
> >
> > "In Greece Pythagoreanism represented in many ways a return of the
> > Pelasgic spirit. Despite its astral and solar symbols (including a
> > Hyperborean trace), the Pythagorean doctrine was essentially characterized
> > by the Demetrian and pantheistic theme. After all, the lunar spirit of the
> > Chaldean or Mayan priestly science was reflected in its view of the world
> > in terms of numbers and of harmony ; the dark, pessimistic, and fatalistic
> > motif of tellurism was retained in the Pythagorean notion of birth on this
> > earth as a punishment and as a sentence, and also in the teaching
> > concerning reincarnation, which I have previously described as a symptom of
> > spiritual disease. The soull that repeatedly reincarnates is the sould
> > subjected to the chthonic law. The doctrine of reincarnation exemplifies
> > the emphasis Pythagoreanism and Orphism gave to the principle that is
> > tellurically subjected to rebirth, as well as the truth proper to the
> > civilization of the Mother. Pythagoras's nostalgia for ideas of a Demetrian
> > type (after his death his home became a sanctuary for the goddess Demeter)
> > including the dignity that women enjoyed in Pythagorean sects where they
> > presided over initiations and where the ritual cremation of the dead was
> > forbidden, as well as the sect's horror of blood - are features that can
> > easily be explained on this basis. In this kind of context even the escape
> > from the "cycle of rebirths" has a dubious character (it is significant
> > that in Orphism the dwelling of the blessed is not above, as in the Achaean
> > symbol of the Elysian Fields, but rather under the earth, in the company of
> > infernal gods), in comparison to the ideal of immortality that was proper
> > of "Zeus's path" ; at the end of this path there was a heavenly region or a
> > Uranian world dominated by the "spiritual virility of the light" and
> > inhabited by "those who are," namely, beings who are detached and
> > inacessible in their perfection and purity."
> >
> > --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "vandermok" <vandermok@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The reference is to this rather difficult sect. in Revolt:
> > >
> > > Il pitagorismo in Grecia significò, sotto vari aspetti, un ritorno dello
> > spirito pelasgico. Malgrado i suoi simboli astrali e solari (e perfino una
> > traccia iperborea) la dottrina pitagorica è essenzialemnte improntata dal
> > tema demetrico e pantetistico. In fondo, lo spirito lunaare della scienza
> > sacerdotale caldea o maya si riflette nella sua visione del mondo come
> > numero e armonia; l'oscuro motivo pessimistico e fatalistico del tellurismo
> > si conserva nel concetto pitagorico della rinascita in terra come punizione
> > e persino nello stesso insegnamento relativo alla reincarnazione. Circa
> > quest'ultimo, si sa già di cosa esso sia sintomo. L'anima che
> > ricorrentemente si incarna, non è che l'anima soggiacente alla legge
> > ctonia. Il pitagorismo, e lo stesso orfismo, insegnando la reincarnazione,
> > mostrano il risalto che la loro concezione dà al principio telluricamenbte
> > soggetto alla rinascita, epperò alla verità propia della civiltà della
> > Madre. La nostalgia di Pitagora è per le dee del tipo demetrico (dopo la
> > sua morte l'abitazione di Pitagora divenne un santuario di Demetra), la
> > dignità che le donne avevano nelle sette pitagoriche ove esse figuravano
> > perfino come iniziatrici e dove sisgnificativamente l'arsione rituale
> > funeraria era proibita e si aveva un orrore pel sangue, sono, su tale base,
> > aspetti assai comprensibili. In un quadro di tal genere la stessa uscita
> > dal ciclo delle rinascite non può rivestire un carattre sospetto
> > (nell'orfismo è significativo che il soggiorno dei beati non sia sopra la
> > terra, come nel simbolo acheo dei Campi Elisi, ma sotto terra, in compagnia
> > con gli altri dei inferi) in opposto all'ideale di immortalità proprio alla
> > via di Zeus e riferito alla regione di 'coloro che sono', staccati,
> > inaccessibili nella loro perfezione e purità come le nature fisse del mondo
> > uranio, della regione celeste dove domina la virilità incorporea della luce
> > in essenze stellari plurime, prive di promiscuità , distinte a sé stesse."
> > >
> > > Moreover, there is to consider the difference between the Pythagorean
> > reincarnation and the transmigration in Buddhism and Vedanta.
> > > ------
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Asdfasdsfdas Sfsdf
> > > To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:04 AM
> > > Subject: [evola_as_he_is] Reghini and Pythagorism
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any insight into Evola's rejection of Pythagorism?
> > >
> > >
> > > He aludes in Rivolta and Camino that there are southern, telluric ways
> > in this path and that Reghini was trying to revive a type of Pythagorism.
> > >
> > >
> > > Be that as it may, I do not understand the outright dismissal of this
> > tradition. Just a few tidbits:
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. Geometrically and conceptually the foundation of all Hermeticism and
> > alchemical symbolism (at least as far back as can be traced, with perhaps
> > the exception of Egypt).
> > >
> > >
> > > 2. Esoteric, initiatory and aristocratic. The burning of its libraries
> > came about from plebs who were rejected by the group. Many ascetic
> > practices similar to early Buddhism.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 3. Utterly entwined with tripartite doctrines which led to much Platonic
> > doctrine such as tripartite caste system, tripartite metaphysiology, etc.,
> > etc. Metempsychosis, wheel of life, etc., etc.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
'Myth, Religion, and Mother Right: Selected Writings of J.J. Bachofen' (available (in part) at http://books.google.fr/books/about/Myth_religion_and_mother_right.html?id=3qhQuWPNUckC&redir_esc=y
--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "G. van der Heide" <vnvsmvndvs@...> wrote:
>
> There's a text on Pythagorism by J.J. Bachofen to be found in 'Der Mythos
> von Orient und Okzident' (A. Baumler).
>
> From the table of contents :
> *Rückkehr des Pythogrismus zum demetrischen Prinzipat in der Religion. Der
> gemeinsame priesterliche Weihecharakter Theanos, Sapphos, Diotimas, der
> pythagorischen, ailoischen, pelasgischen Frauen überhaupt Wiederbelebung
> der Kulturzüge des ältesten Mutterrechts und der pelasgischen
> Mysterienreligion in ihrer Verbindung mit dem Hervortreten der
> pythagorischen Frauen. Analoge Erscheinungen : der Einfluss des
> demetrischen und des christlichen Mariakultus auf die Erhaltung und neue
> Begründung der staatlichen Gynaikokratie.*
>
> 2012/2/25 Asdfasdsfdas Sfsdf <andreforcordelia@...>
>
> >
> > If anyone is listening with the ability, Reghini and De Giorgio would
> > both make excellent reading material for the intellect-starved desert of
> > the Anglosphere "right wing."
> > Having met several "traditionalists" in the US, followers of Guenon and
> > Cutsinger, I am discovering that if there will ever be a mainstream
> > recognition of this movement it will be quickly be absorbed into zionist
> > 'conservatism' and new age unitarianism, another reason I stick with
> > Schopenhauer as an inspiration for reaction. Schopenhauer was at least,
> > "numinous," and even "dharmic" compared to the esoteric worshippers of
> > Allah/YWHA, the danger of which, I credit Evola_as_he_is for deeper
> > comprehension on the issue.
> >
> > Another work I have looked for in translation:
> > http://books.google.pl/books?id=_ItttHcYKsgC&printsec=frontcover&hl=pl&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* vandermok <vandermok@...>
> > *To:* evola as he is <evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com>
> > *Sent:* Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:54 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [evola_as_he_is] De Giorgio (it was: Reghini and
> > Pythagorism)
> >
> >
> > 
> > It's a very interesting book of 323 pages, a bit visionary and probably
> > more close to Guénon than to Evola. Anyway my English has rusted by now for
> > translating (apart from the laziness). Fortunately we have a polyglot
> > owner...
> > An example:
> >
> > "Mentre nei Sacerdoti domina la conoscenza, nei Guerrieri domina l'amore,
> > perché tutta la loro forza è una specie di offerta in un inappagamento
> > continuo che si placa solo con la morte... (...)
> > Chi non sa uccidere se stesso, non saprà mai uccidere o, per meglio dire,
> > uccidendo egli profanerà la vita e la morte perché la sua causa non è
> > sacra..."
> > -----------
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Asdfasdsfdas Sfsdf <andreforcordelia@...>
> > *To:* evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
> > *Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2012 5:38 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [evola_as_he_is] Re: Reghini and Pythagorism
> >
> >
> > I am someone jealous of those with fluency in Italian at this moment,
> > did anyone get a chance to read Guido de Giorgio's La Tradizione Romana?
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Evola <evola_as_he_is@...>
> > *To:* evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
> > *Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2012 3:17 PM
> > *Subject:* [evola_as_he_is] Re: Reghini and Pythagorism
> >
> >
> > "In Greece Pythagoreanism represented in many ways a return of the
> > Pelasgic spirit. Despite its astral and solar symbols (including a
> > Hyperborean trace), the Pythagorean doctrine was essentially characterized
> > by the Demetrian and pantheistic theme. After all, the lunar spirit of the
> > Chaldean or Mayan priestly science was reflected in its view of the world
> > in terms of numbers and of harmony ; the dark, pessimistic, and fatalistic
> > motif of tellurism was retained in the Pythagorean notion of birth on this
> > earth as a punishment and as a sentence, and also in the teaching
> > concerning reincarnation, which I have previously described as a symptom of
> > spiritual disease. The soull that repeatedly reincarnates is the sould
> > subjected to the chthonic law. The doctrine of reincarnation exemplifies
> > the emphasis Pythagoreanism and Orphism gave to the principle that is
> > tellurically subjected to rebirth, as well as the truth proper to the
> > civilization of the Mother. Pythagoras's nostalgia for ideas of a Demetrian
> > type (after his death his home became a sanctuary for the goddess Demeter)
> > including the dignity that women enjoyed in Pythagorean sects where they
> > presided over initiations and where the ritual cremation of the dead was
> > forbidden, as well as the sect's horror of blood - are features that can
> > easily be explained on this basis. In this kind of context even the escape
> > from the "cycle of rebirths" has a dubious character (it is significant
> > that in Orphism the dwelling of the blessed is not above, as in the Achaean
> > symbol of the Elysian Fields, but rather under the earth, in the company of
> > infernal gods), in comparison to the ideal of immortality that was proper
> > of "Zeus's path" ; at the end of this path there was a heavenly region or a
> > Uranian world dominated by the "spiritual virility of the light" and
> > inhabited by "those who are," namely, beings who are detached and
> > inacessible in their perfection and purity."
> >
> > --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "vandermok" <vandermok@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The reference is to this rather difficult sect. in Revolt:
> > >
> > > Il pitagorismo in Grecia significò, sotto vari aspetti, un ritorno dello
> > spirito pelasgico. Malgrado i suoi simboli astrali e solari (e perfino una
> > traccia iperborea) la dottrina pitagorica è essenzialemnte improntata dal
> > tema demetrico e pantetistico. In fondo, lo spirito lunaare della scienza
> > sacerdotale caldea o maya si riflette nella sua visione del mondo come
> > numero e armonia; l'oscuro motivo pessimistico e fatalistico del tellurismo
> > si conserva nel concetto pitagorico della rinascita in terra come punizione
> > e persino nello stesso insegnamento relativo alla reincarnazione. Circa
> > quest'ultimo, si sa già di cosa esso sia sintomo. L'anima che
> > ricorrentemente si incarna, non è che l'anima soggiacente alla legge
> > ctonia. Il pitagorismo, e lo stesso orfismo, insegnando la reincarnazione,
> > mostrano il risalto che la loro concezione dà al principio telluricamenbte
> > soggetto alla rinascita, epperò alla verità propia della civiltà della
> > Madre. La nostalgia di Pitagora è per le dee del tipo demetrico (dopo la
> > sua morte l'abitazione di Pitagora divenne un santuario di Demetra), la
> > dignità che le donne avevano nelle sette pitagoriche ove esse figuravano
> > perfino come iniziatrici e dove sisgnificativamente l'arsione rituale
> > funeraria era proibita e si aveva un orrore pel sangue, sono, su tale base,
> > aspetti assai comprensibili. In un quadro di tal genere la stessa uscita
> > dal ciclo delle rinascite non può rivestire un carattre sospetto
> > (nell'orfismo è significativo che il soggiorno dei beati non sia sopra la
> > terra, come nel simbolo acheo dei Campi Elisi, ma sotto terra, in compagnia
> > con gli altri dei inferi) in opposto all'ideale di immortalità proprio alla
> > via di Zeus e riferito alla regione di 'coloro che sono', staccati,
> > inaccessibili nella loro perfezione e purità come le nature fisse del mondo
> > uranio, della regione celeste dove domina la virilità incorporea della luce
> > in essenze stellari plurime, prive di promiscuità , distinte a sé stesse."
> > >
> > > Moreover, there is to consider the difference between the Pythagorean
> > reincarnation and the transmigration in Buddhism and Vedanta.
> > > ------
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Asdfasdsfdas Sfsdf
> > > To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:04 AM
> > > Subject: [evola_as_he_is] Reghini and Pythagorism
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any insight into Evola's rejection of Pythagorism?
> > >
> > >
> > > He aludes in Rivolta and Camino that there are southern, telluric ways
> > in this path and that Reghini was trying to revive a type of Pythagorism.
> > >
> > >
> > > Be that as it may, I do not understand the outright dismissal of this
> > tradition. Just a few tidbits:
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. Geometrically and conceptually the foundation of all Hermeticism and
> > alchemical symbolism (at least as far back as can be traced, with perhaps
> > the exception of Egypt).
> > >
> > >
> > > 2. Esoteric, initiatory and aristocratic. The burning of its libraries
> > came about from plebs who were rejected by the group. Many ascetic
> > practices similar to early Buddhism.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 3. Utterly entwined with tripartite doctrines which led to much Platonic
> > doctrine such as tripartite caste system, tripartite metaphysiology, etc.,
> > etc. Metempsychosis, wheel of life, etc., etc.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>