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RE: How did ancient white Christians experience 'negritude'?

 Such a discussion must remain fruitless unless it is reframed. To keep the debate focused solely on the question of Catholic vs Heathen is to remain of the corporeal level, while the truth  can only be found on the level of Spirit.

 

The race of the spirit is the foundation and everything else is manifested from it. In Sintesi, Evola mentions the three great Aryan civilisations: (1) the Oriental (presumably the civilisation that gave rise to the Vedanta and Buddhism), (2) ancient Rome, and (3) the German-Roman Middle Ages. Since the Middle Ages are quintessentially Catholic, it is necessary to understand what is of value in that civilisation, and what not, since, in general, Evola is intransigently opposed to Christianity.

 

However, we can also do the same to ancient, heathen Rome, since the roots of its corruption were planted long before Christianity took there. After all, a healthy organism is resistant to invasion by outside organisms, and Rome was not healthy. There was constant immigration which brought in lunar and telluric elements, even before the Christian era. There was indiscriminate granting of citizenship, so the meaning of being a Roman became distorted. There was a universalistic frame of mind that allowed a Trajan to become emperor, or a Saul of Tarsus to have full rights of citizenship --- something that, by the way, no Catholic country ever permitted.

 

Before Christianity, Stoicism, also with a universalistic ethics based on the Logos, had taken hold among the Roman aristocracy. This often led to the freeing of slaves, turning them into citizens, in the name of universalism and the virtue of “magnanimousness”. Paganism was hardly what the re-enactors attempt to make of it. First of all, educated Greeks and Romans did not really believe in the myths. They did, however, see its value in social control and, therefore, the virtue of piety – that is, worship of the gods of one’s fathers – was important. Even Socrates, despite his rationalism, saw piety as a virtue and used it to defend himself against the charges of corrupting the youths of Athens. It is still a virtue today, but too little followed.

 

Even its so-called polytheism is overrated. Platonism, Aristotelianism, and Stoicism were monotheistic and were followed by upper classes. The more intellectual or mystical were attracted to Neoplatonism, again ultimately monotheistic.

 

As Evola has often pointed out, there are no pure races – this is not intended to be a biological observation, but a spiritual one, since there is an admixture of spiritual elements, which were manifested as the contradictions that existed both in ancient Rome, as well as in the Middle Ages, though in different ways.

 

So, now that we have outlined the faults of ancient Rome, and certainly in a one-sided way just to make a point, we must now turn to the third Aryan civilisation and look at its strengths.

 

In an essay included in the February, 1939 issue of “La Vita Italiana”, Evola explicitly addresses the “solarity” of Christianity:

 

“Solar elements are without doubt present in Christianity, particularly in Roman Catholicism … in spite its subversive and universalistic aspects. These [solar] elements … are fragments of the great primordial solar tradition”

 

Evola goes on to draw out the practical consequences. “There is the possibility of its contributing to a future spiritual reconstruction to the susceptibility, from the solar elements present in it, to integrate itself into the vaster order of the primordial, solar traditional. And in this order, without doubt, there can be ensured an essential convergence of the positive element of Christianity with that of the great, virile, Olympian elements possessed both by the authentic Romanity and the greatest forms of the common Indo-European and Aryan civilisations.”

 

That is why Evola could recognize the solar spiritual elements in a man like Codreanu and not be misled by the outward form his piety took. It is an exercise for the reader to determine exactly what these solar elements are in Roman Catholicism and why the german-roman middle ages represent a high point of Aryan civilisation. Simply to boast of one’s anti-Christianity and to puff up heathen credentials is not same thing as demonstrating a solar spirit. One will not be able to recognise the solar elements in heathenism, which is distant, if one cannot recognise the remnants of solarity in what is close in time and in place.

 

The way forward is to bring together all the solar elements into a new synthesis, whatever their source, which task can only be accomplished through knowledge and understanding.

 



Sat Dec 2, 2006 5:10 am

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First, this not a discussion. There cannot be any discussion with someone who doesn't take in consideration the arguments of his interlocutor and develops his...
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For being my `own' slave I flay myself for parroting… In relation to the exposé of Nietzsche's absurdity via Evola's examination of the limitations entailed...
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