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Reply Message #416 of 1563 |
Heidnischer Imperialismus


Some people tend to assume that "fatti ed opere dipotenza e di
veggenza" don't exist and are mere 'fantasies', because those people
are devoid of any "potenza" and "veggenza". Once again, it seems that
even the mere intellectual understanding of Evola's work is largely
determined by the presence or not in the reader of a quality which is
not based on mere analytic intelligence and discursive reason.

Now, where exactly on earth did you read that first draft of the
translation of "Noi, per contro, fondandoci su una tradizione ben piů
antica ed effetiva di quella che non possa rivendicare la "fede"
dell'uomo occidentale, su una tradizione non testimoniata su
dottrine, ma per fatti ed opere di potenza e di veggenza, noi
affermiamo invece la possibilitŕ e la realtŕ effetiva di cio' che
abbiamo chiamato Sapienza", which "has been propagated on the
Internet, and which is "based on a misreading of a passage
of "Heidnischer Imperialismus""?

Where?

In that first draft, a part is missing, in the first sentence : "noi
affermiamo invece la possibilitŕ e la realtŕ effetiva di cio' che
abbiamo chiamato Sapienza", which would have been reinserted, if not
at the first stage, at least at the second stage of proof-reading.
This being said, 'noi affermiamo' means 'we affirm', 'we assert', and
not "they affirm" ('essi/esse affermano').

That misunderstanding is not based on a misreading : both
translations - yours and the one which has been "propagated on the
internet" -, convey the same meaning, that of the original, provided
that you correct "they" and replace it with 'we'.




--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Ciopa"
<hyperborean@b...> wrote:
>
> An unfortunate misunderstanding has been propagated on the Internet
based on
> a misreading of a passage of "Heidnischer Imperialismus".
>
>
>
> On page 252 of the Mediterranee edition, we would like to translate
this
> passage as such:
>
>
>
> <<We, on the contrary, basing ourselves on a tradition much older
and more
> effective than that which the "faith" of Western man can lay claim
to, a
> tradition not proved by doctrines, but by deeds and works of power
and
> vision, they affirm instead the possibility and the concrete
reality of what
> we have called "Wisdom".>>
>
>
>
> This paragraph appears in the context of a discussion of the
difference
> between "knowledge" and "Wisdom" -- a distinction that is absolutely
> foundational to any understanding of Guénon, Evola, or any other
traditional
> metaphysician.
>
>
>
> It is simply the claim that there is a higher faculty of the mind
> ("intuition") than mere reason, and that without this faculty,
metaphysical
> doctrines simply cannot be understood. The claim to a special power
of
> "seeing" is similarly the claim of the rishis (literally "seers")
who
> composed the Vedas.
>
>
>
> As such, this claim is hardly outrageous … to misunderstand it
would make
> the works of Guenon and Evola opaque; to reject it puts one in the
rather
> odd position of accepting their conclusions while rejecting the
path that
> led to them.
>
>
>
> What is more interesting is how, for Evola, this "seeing" took him
in a
> racial direction, whereas in Guenon's case, it seems not to have
done so.
>









Tue Dec 6, 2005 11:12 am

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An unfortunate misunderstanding has been propagated on the Internet based on a misreading of a passage of “Heidnischer Imperialismus”. On page 252 of the...
Tony Ciopa
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Dec 6, 2005
9:42 am

Some people tend to assume that "fatti ed opere dipotenza e di veggenza" don't exist and are mere 'fantasies', because those people are devoid of any "potenza"...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 6, 2005
11:16 am

I never even mentioned the existence of a “rough draft”, both because it seemed to me to be a private matter never intended for publication and also ...
Tony Ciopa
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Dec 7, 2005
9:15 am

It reads "affermiano", but we corrected spontaneously that typographical mistake in our previous message. In Italian, personal pronouns are not always...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 7, 2005
1:00 pm

Well, sometimes it's difficult to gain an insight into the Evola's mind. I do not have got the German version, but the incriminated Italian word is "veggenza";...
vandermok
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Dec 6, 2005
11:16 am

'Veggenza' is one of those Italian words which are extremely difficult to translate into English. Its synonyms in Italian are (needless to translate) :...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 6, 2005
11:59 am

I agree that the translation could be less florid, Tony, but it is the underlying thoughts I question : (1) the idea that there is a special spiritual heritage...
Rowan Berkeley
rowan_berkeley Offline Send Email
Dec 6, 2005
11:16 am

You still haven't understood the spirit of this list. The welcome message says : "Not a moment of our time will be wasted upon the "demon of dialectics",...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 6, 2005
4:31 pm

In the most authoritative Italian dictionaries like the Zingarelli, the term 'veggenza' is in fact considered the archaic form of the modern 'chiaroveggenza',...
vandermok
charltonroad36 Offline Send Email
Dec 6, 2005
1:05 pm

To try to put this to rest, Garzanti has this definition of “veggenza”: 1 (rar.) facoltà di vedere 2 (fig.) capacità di prevedere il futuro: la veggenza...
Tony Ciopa
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Dec 6, 2005
4:24 pm

We could discourse for hours, for days, for months, on how to translate accurately 'veggenza' into English, basing ourselves either on "one of the most...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 6, 2005
4:27 pm

re : "'clairvoyance', which, in English, means 'perceptiveness', 'clear-sightedness'. Yet, the English 'clairvoyance' renders quite well the idea, as 'esp',...
Rowan Berkeley
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Dec 6, 2005
1:25 pm

I believe, Tony, you did not intend to stir up a nest of hornets; anyway just a little addition. The whole chapter has a series of plural verbs: affermiamo,...
vandermok
charltonroad36 Offline Send Email
Dec 7, 2005
12:50 pm

To be more specific, both 'Imperialismo pagano' and 'Heidnischer Imperialismus' have five chapters, of which four bear the same title : I. 'We, anti-Europeans'...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 7, 2005
4:21 pm

I' m sorry today you are all in a black mood, anyway, to me, it is better to express frankly and loyally our ideas rather than do it slipping away to another...
vandermok
charltonroad36 Offline Send Email
Dec 7, 2005
5:23 pm

Instead of trying to evade them by referring, in the most detached manner, to the current mood of the members of this forum, or rather to what you assume their...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 7, 2005
7:19 pm

Some sort of detached metaphysical vision, not religious or mystic, without any identification with the object, a knowledge deprived of the pathos of the...
vandermok
charltonroad36 Offline Send Email
Dec 7, 2005
8:08 pm

Your reactions are exactly the same as those of the religious dogmatists I correspond with : we possess the mystic flame, love us or leave us, and if you...
Rowan Berkeley
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Dec 4, 2005
8:34 pm

We grasp this opportunity you have given us to point at other significant differences between pre-Christian cults of Aryan nature and Christianity, already...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 5, 2005
2:03 pm

oh, come on, what is the idea of aryanism if not a dogma? ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get?...
Rowan Berkeley
rowan_berkeley Offline Send Email
Dec 5, 2005
4:17 pm

... The Roman: hostem cum fugeret, se Fannius ipse peremit. hic, rogo, non furor est, ne moriare, mori? "As he was fleeing the enemy, Fannius killed himself. I...
kshonan88 Offline Send Email Dec 16, 2005
10:10 am

As a matter of fact, in Sanskrit, 'jiv' means 'life, 'life- force' ; 'ji', 'to struggle', 'to beat', 'to win', to 'conquer'. Needless to elaborate. ... dying ...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 16, 2005
8:53 pm

Joseph Campbell and Hans Zimmer hypothesized that some contradictions of the Zoroastrianism show just the presence of a pre-Aryan matriarchal cult in Iran. ...
vandermok
charltonroad36 Offline Send Email
Dec 6, 2005
4:24 pm

In which of Campbell and/or Zimmer's works can the information on pre-Aryan matriarchy be found? vandermok <vandermok@...> wrote: Joseph Campbell and...
Savitar Devi
savitar_devi Offline Send Email
Dec 7, 2005
9:15 am

J. Campbell, Philosophies of India (The Bollingen series, XXVI) New York 1951. Also H.S. Nyberg, Die Religionen des Alten Iran, Leipzig 1938. I have not them;...
vandermok
charltonroad36 Offline Send Email
Dec 7, 2005
12:31 pm

I'd be very interested to read more about this, too, if anyone else can provide quotations. vandermok <vandermok@...> wrote: J....
Troy Southgate
arktoslondon Offline Send Email
Dec 7, 2005
12:59 pm

To Whom It May Concern: Southgate would like someone else to do the research for him, since he does not feel up to doing it himself. He will then probably...
Tony Ciopa
hyperborean Offline Send Email
Dec 7, 2005
3:05 pm

Would it not be wise for the monitor of this group to delete all the "ad hominems"? ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired...
caleb afendopoulo
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Dec 7, 2005
4:45 pm

We tolerate 'ad hominem' attacks to a certain extent, to the extent that, as pointed out by Seneca, as well as by Evola in 'Sintesi di dottrina della razza',...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 7, 2005
4:59 pm

thank you for your reply. it just seemed to us that some of the replies bordered on childishness and/or based upon previous personal encounters which we are ...
caleb afendopoulo
afendopoulo Offline Send Email
Dec 7, 2005
7:00 pm
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