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The Sacred in The Roman Tradition


We merely outlined the method dear to Dumézil.

As to know what Evola thought of his system, the best is to open an
anthology of his most significant writings dealing, as indicated by
its title, 'La tradizione di Roma', with various aspects of the Roman
tradition, which has already been mentioned here, p. 119, to find a
review of the Italian translation of Dumézil's 'Jupiter, Mars,
Quirinus' (1941), that book in which he set out for the first time
his theory of the three functions (sovereignty and religion, war,
production), a tripartition which is found in the vocabulary, the
social organisation and the mythological corpus of all Indo-European
peoples, according to Dumézil : we have, for example, the medieval
society divided into oratores (those who pray, the clergy),
bellatores (those who fight, the nobility) and laboratores (those who
work, the third Estate) ; Indian society into Brahmans, Kshatriyas,
and two productive castes. Dumézil goes on to explain that the early
official history of Rome matches with that 'founding ideology', as a
result of which, among other things, it would be vain to try to
untangle legend and history with respect to Romulus ands his
successors.

Evola finds 'Giove, Marte e Quirino per gli antichi romani' (1955)
interesting for two reasons : first, because of its method, the
comparative one, which, even if, as recalled by him, it was not new
at that time, was "refined and expressed in a scientifically
satisfactory manner by Dumézil and others", who cleansed it from the
one-sided elements, the mistakes and the extravagance" it was filled
with in the XIXth century ; then, because Dumézil resumes opportunely
the idea, already highlighted by Vico and de Coulanges, of an inner,
organic, unity of the cults, of the social classes, of the vocations,
of the functions and of the institutions of ancient civilisations".

On the other hand, Evola corrects Dumézil unsurprisingly on two
points. In the first place, instead of a tripartition, the fact is
that it is a quadripartition which we find in ancient Indo-European
societies ; "the fact that Dumézil points out that, in the East, the
fourth caste is composed, not of Indo-Europeans, but of subjugated
aboriginal peoples is irrelevant, since he admits that, for Rome and
for the Nordics, tripartition came as a result of their associating
with originally heterogeneous or even hostile ethnic groups".

Then, Evola asks himself the same question as Dumézil does : is
social tripartition, or quadripartition really an Indo-European
characteristic and almost a sign of recognition, or is it a scheme
which has an intrinsic value, an inner necessity and even an analogy
with the articulation of human being. "Despite what Dumézil assumes,
we think that the second alternative is the right one and that, at
best, it can be said that Indo-Europeans are the peoples who have
managed more than the others to acknowledge and to apply the ideal of
a social organic and functional hierarchy".

While we are at it, we take this opportunity to point at a fact that
has passed almost unnoticed : not only, through history, power goes
down from one caste to the other, but, each time a lower caste ousted
from power the caste which is immediately superior to it from, the
effect of this was the disappearance of a social stratum : the
bourgeois XIXth century replaced the quadripartite society of the
Ancient Regime with a clearly tripartite social pseudo-order : those
who pray, those who make money, and those who work. Communism, as for
it, turned the latter into a bipartite system : those who are rich
and those who are poor.

What's next - now that Communism and speculative capitalism, spurred
on by the mechanical infra-human forces which are behind them, are
merging.

Finally, as is known, the terminology oratores, bellatores (those who
fight, the nobility) and laboratores was made up and imposed by the
Church in the Middle Ages, as an ideological counterpart of its will
to reduce society to three Estates. What is less known is that, as
showed in 'Naissance de la noblesse' by Karl Ferdinand Werner, the
Church, in the attempt to reach that goal of its, went so far, as
early as in the Middle Ages, as to make a massive forgery of
administrative documents showing that medieval society was a
quadripartite society. Could this, too, pass unnoticed?



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> Thank you for that translation - I had been wondering what Evola's
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We are proud to present a translation of another of those essays from the 'Ur&Krur' group which was not published in its American edition. ...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jan 30, 2006
3:08 pm

Thank you for that translation - I had been wondering what Evola's view on Dumezil was; judging from your commentary it appears to have been favourable. ...
Savitar Devi
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Feb 5, 2006
10:25 am

We merely outlined the method dear to Dumézil. As to know what Evola thought of his system, the best is to open an anthology of his most significant writings...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Feb 5, 2006
1:09 pm

Yes, the fourth caste does seem to be the flaw in Dumezil's theory - it is possible though that the caste could have been created at a later date, so one...
Savitar Devi
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Feb 10, 2006
9:37 am

Logically, it has to be them. As pointed out a few weeks ago (see message 331), Evola regarded structural public corruption and the related phenomenon of...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Feb 11, 2006
6:34 pm

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