It would be very interesting to make that brilliant study, written from a
traditional European standpoint, available to English-speaking readers of J.
Evola who still delude themselves about the core views of the Italian author on
Christianity in general and on Catholicism in particular. For now, it should
suffice to say that the study is called 'Una parentesi sul cattolicesimo
esoterico e il 'tradizionalismo integrale'' : 'A Digression on esoteric
Catholicism and integral traditionalism'.
--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Ciapo" <hyperborean@...> wrote:
>
> Absolutely. In "Maschera e volto dello spiritualismo contemporaneo", Evola
> devoted a chapter to "esoteric Catholicism" and "integral traditionalism",
> though it may not be what you think.
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>
>
> From: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com [mailto:evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Joel Dietz
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 2:54 PM
> To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [evola_as_he_is] Xmas, a (not too much) solsticial feast
>
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> I am unaware of any explicit statement of Evola's on Christianity or the
> figure of Jesus Christ from the post- Heathen Imperialism part of his
> writings, although I do remember several quotations from the gnostic
> gospels. Is anyone aware of a more explicit evaluation of the work of Jesus
> Christ, including any accompanying "esoteric" elements both in canonical and
> extra-canonical texts?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:58 AM, vandermok <vandermok@...> wrote:
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> Three days ago I sent this but did not appear on the forum. I send it again,
> if lost.
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> I do not know how much Wikipedia is reliable, but anyway this matter makes
> my head spin. As far as I have understood, Aurelianus and not Caesar
> established that feast of 25 December, only in 274 AD (foundation of the
> temple of the Sol Invictus). Before, as far as I know, Saturnalia never
> considered the day 25 as a true solsticial feast.
>
> On the web, man insists also that the astronomical winter solstice was, in
> the Julian calendar, the 13 December; a popular relic of which would be
> today the feast of Saint Lucy (in Italy there is lullabay about: Santa
> Lucia č la notte pił lunga che ci sia). You read Italian and can understand.
> According to the fine freeware program 'Riyal' of Juan Revilla
> http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/ and also according to Asterix, Solar
> Fire, etc. the ingress of the sun into Capricorn fell between 2 and 3
> December in Julian calendar. The day 25 December of 274 A. D. the sun was
> about 4° Capricorn in Gregorian calendar, that means the real solstice was
> regularly 4 days before. So it seems to me that the sentence of Julianus
> would look correct.
>
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>
> Since the problem is not related to Evola, if I'm capable to understand
> more, I will let you know privately.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tony Ciapo
>
>
> Obviously, by Julian's time the date for the Winter Solstice no longer fell
> on 25 December due to the inaccuracy in the Julian calendar. Do you have a
> reliable source that denies the Julian calendar originally assigned 25
> December to the Winter Solstice?
> This article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice explains the 3 day
> discrepancy noted by Julian.
>
> From: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com [mailto:evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of vandermok
>
> It seems that the difference between the solstice and the Natalis Solis
> Invicti has not to do with the calendar reformations, but as the emperor
> Julianus said:
>
> "They fixed that feast not just in the exact day of the solar conversion,
> but in the one in which the return of the sun, from south to north, does
> appear before the eyes of everybody" ( from
> http://www.centrostudilaruna.it/saturnalia.html )< o>
> The same thing happens with the crescent of the new moon that becoms visible
> only 3 day about after the astronomical phenomenon.
> ----------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tony Ciapo
>
> Well, Julius Caesar must have had the same lapse, when he established
> December 25 as the date of the winter solstice in 46 BCE.
> Unfortunately, the date would have gradually drifted due to the inaccuracy
> in the Julian Calendar. When Pope Gregory reformed the calendar, he did not
> start at 46 BCE, but a few hundred years later. Thus the 4 day difference
> now between Christmas and the winter solstice .
>