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I agree with this views, crualty is not worthy of a real Tradition ,
this kind of cynical thinking seems more like ultra-modern libéralism
selfish way of life ! and this under the name of tradition! MAybe
Evola insist on the égalitarien cult of progressiv society because
the virtue of générosité was deviate by the modern view for - it is
right to destroy the great and promote the inferiors ! But iss not an
raison for fall in extremism point of view

---- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "Toni Ciopa"
<hyperborean@...> wrote:
>
> There is little to dispute in the realm of ideas, but some care
must be
> taken in their interpretation.
>
>
>
> First of all, ideals can be compared to other ideals, but it is
illegitimate
> to compare the ideal to the actual, as if they were on the same
plane. The
> actual embodies the ideal (or principle), to a greater of lesser
degree of
> fidelity. This requires judgment – we can focus on the fidelity or
on the
> infidelity of a particular civilisation to a set of principles,
but to
> understand the principles probably requires both.
>
>
>
> For example, rather than looking at the "chivalric code" (is there
a Latin
> version available?) through modern eyes, we can look through
medieval eyes.
>
>
>
> Dedication to feudal duties, not lying, begin loyal, unceasing war,
love of
> country --- there is nothing at all to dispute here.
>
> As for (1) and (2) – devotion to church teachings and its defence --
we can
> consider that to be a manifestation of the virtue of "piety", a
virtue even
> to the Romans. (As to the relative dominance of the pope and the
sovereign,
> that will have to wait for a discussion of de Maistre and Donoso
Cortes in
> relation to Evola.)
>
>
>
> As for "respect" for weakness, that is either a mistranslation or
> misunderstanding. Yet, of course it is a duty to protect the weak.
What
> Roman father would fail to protect his wife and children? Wasn't
it an
> obligation for the lord to protect his serfs? The King to protect
his
> subjects? Did not even the Romans supply bread to the poor? Or, to
be a man,
> does it mean one should kick a beggar in the street while walking
by?
> Protecting the weak maintains the proper relationship between the
strong and
> the weak and makes clear their hierarchical relationship. It was
not the
> Medieval civilisation that reversed that … it was the (pseudo)
Reformers and
> Jacobins.
>
>
>
> To be generous and give largesse? This is nothing but the Roman
virtue of
> hospitas, or hospitality. To give largesse -- when it is not a
duty -- is
> magnanimity, another virtue.
>
>
>
> As mentioned, the relationship between the Knight and Lady does
indeed
> reflect Hindu and Buddhist Tantrism. If it eventually assumed a
sentimental
> attitude, that is indeed unfortunate, but that does not indicate the
> complete absence of Principle … only its imperfect or incomplete
> application.
>
>
>
> It is hardly obvious that a "flesh and blood" woman was considered
to be
> required for spiritual fulfilment. We can start with the Knightly
devotion
> to Mary – hardly "flesh and blood". For the Knights and
troubadours, as a
> matter of fact, a "Platonic" love was considered superior. At a
time of
> arranged marriages, this sort of love was allowed, and did not
manifest
> erotically. To criticise it when it did become sexual and
sentimental, is
> again to attempt to compare the actual to the ideal. In its higher
> manifestations, it remained unrequited. We need not go further than
Dante
> and Beatrice or the Persian poet Hafiz and the princess to see that
> spiritual realisation does not depend on a "flesh and blood" woman.
>
>
>
> Closer to our own time, one should track down Leopardi's "Dialogo di
> Torquato Tasso e del suo genio familiare" – if one has a sense of
humour --
> but that will take as a little far from the subject at hand.
>
>
>
> The only real objection I hear is that the Middle Age was not the
Roman
> Empire, but neither was the Roman Empire the Vedic civilisation.
Both Evola
> and Guénon had high regard for Medieval Europe. In our era, which is
> absolutely devoid of virtue, it behooves us to look very carefully
at the
> most recent period in European history when an authentic
civilisation did
> manifest.
>





Wed Jul 4, 2007 5:13 pm

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In "Sintesi di dottrina della razza", Evola listed three great Aryan civilisations: (1) The Vedic civilisation (2) The Roman civilisation (3) The Nordic-Roman...
Toni Ciopa
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Mar 13, 2007
9:44 am

This an accurate summary of "Phratry of the Sentinels of the Future". However, your views on the relationship between heathenism and Christianity are...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Mar 13, 2007
5:41 pm

... On the same note, let us recall a footnote from the first part of Henry de Montherlant's 'Solstice de Juin': 'A true mockery, chivalry since the XIIIth...
larco_e_laclava Offline Send Email Mar 16, 2007
9:51 am

There is little to dispute in the realm of ideas, but some care must be taken in their interpretation. First of all, ideals can be compared to other ideals,...
Toni Ciopa
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Mar 17, 2007
8:48 pm

There is no such thing as a single 'code of chivalry', this code of conduct was clearly understood although it was never clearly formulated. In fact, there...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Mar 19, 2007
8:51 pm

I agree with this views, crualty is not worthy of a real Tradition , this kind of cynical thinking seems more like ultra-modern libéralism selfish way of life...
stephane.leperchois
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Jul 5, 2007
4:54 pm

I don’t recall very much from Evola on the specific details of public policy. However, in general, in an organic society policies arise in a natural way...
Toni Ciopa
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Jul 10, 2007
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