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May 30View SourceI almost forgot: it is also no coincidence the main area of a Catholic church is called a "nave" (in French, "nef", a word which also means a boat), from the Latin "navis", boat.
--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "tlefranc10" <tlefranc10@...> wrote:
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> You have made a connection between the "eye", the fish, the boat and the womb, suggesting they are closely related to each other in terms of shape. I think it would not be far-fetched to add to this list any church or cathedral (i.e. the way it is built: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Amiens_cathedral_floorplan.JPG) and the coffin, perhaps an "underground, telluric boat" in the minds of the Christians who introduced it wherever they preached.
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> --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "Evola" <evola_as_he_is@> wrote:
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> > It is being investigated, and the result of our research will be published in French at http://elementsdeducationraciale.wordpress.com, a research for which we originally intended more than ever to use the material offered by relevant scholarly works rather than the content of 'Conspiracy theory' journalistic-like pieces, which tend to be a mile wide and an inch deep, unable as they are for most of them to first delineate rigorously a field of study, and then to investigate it discriminatively.
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> > The starting point of a study of this kind is obviously the various attributes of the divinities known as 'Great Mothers'. In terms of shape, there is a variety of symbols that seem to be closely related to each other, such as the eye, the womb (the vulva, the vagina), the fish - not to mention the boat. Archeological evidence shows unambiguously that this posited connection is not a figment of our imagination ; each goddess may not possess all the first three attributes, but at least one of these abstractions belong to each goddess. Let us recall incidentally that the visible signs, or representations, by which the related force is represented, are proteiform, given the nature of this force. Not only it is proteiform, but, by its very nature, it is also shifting ; there is a hide-and-seek dimension in the deployment of its visible manifestations. It tends to "seek" in times and in spaces where it feels like a fish in water, so to speak, that is, when the "Light of the South" shines, such as in the Minoan culture (see H. B. Werness, 'The Continuum Encyclopedia of Animal Symbolism in World Art, p. 176 ; on the sarcophagus reproduced in the plate, the eye, the uterus and the fish make one ; the rather obvious stylised representation of the fish as two intersecting arcs, with the ends of the right side extending beyond the meeting point so as to look like the profile of a fish, is not found on early christian mosaics, frescoes, and sculptures, and seems to have been devised in the XXth century, when times were ripe), and to 'hide', in times when it aims at infiltrating either a mixed culture (Horus' so-called 'eye' in ancient Egypt - contrary to what J. Evola assumed, Horus was a "dying-god", within a people of Hyperborean origin that was however already dramatically affected by Negroid influences), or a culture that is alien to it (any symbol derived from the basic pattern of two intersecting arcs, horizontally or vertically, that was femininely 'smuggled' into the world of Nordic peoples).
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> > We have not found online many scholarly studies on the rather obvious connection between the fish and the vulva. M. Gimbutas once pointed at a vase dated 700-678 BCE showing Artemis with a fish drawn at her womb area, as well as at the fish placed within the womb of the Bee goddess painted on a Boeotian vase around 700 BCE (The Gods and Goddesses of Old Europe, p. 110). There is also that carved fish from the Paleolithic was unearthed in Siberia with a body "with a pecked spiral labyrinth like a womb with a uterine passage" (S. Skinner, Symbols of the Soul). M. Gimbutas has not been emulated. Besides, many ancient artefacts have not been released. In this connection, it would be interesting to know where the artefact shown at http://keithranville.wordpress.com/2012/10/21/christian-fish-symbol-eye-of-god-theory/ comes from.
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> > --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "rouesolaire" <rouesolaire@> wrote:
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> > > It is relevant to point out that in early christianity, it was not the cross which was the main christian symbol but the fish (1) and that the fish is above all a vaginal symbol of ancient Asian lunar religions (2).
> > > The relation between the eye symbol and the fish symbol which are very similar in their shape (3) - should also be investigated.
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> > > (1) http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oDCyjOSxspY/Tqlpww8NoYI/AAAAAAAAIlM/O-sf1oM18Aw/s400/gravure_chretienne_elements_paiens.jpg
> > > http://www.nouvelordremondial.cc/2011/03/27/lultime-plus-vieille-eglise-du-monde-deterree-en-israel/
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> > > (2) http://malachitewitch.com/Pagan%20Symbols/fish_symbol.htm
> > > http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/fish/fish.html
> > > http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/fish/fish-pagan.html
> > > http://www.cracked.com/article_19909_6-famous-symbols-that-dont-mean-what-you-think.html
> > > http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/fish_symbol.htm
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> > > (3) http://keithranville.wordpress.com/2012/10/21/christian-fish-symbol-eye-of-god-theory/
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