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Re: Nietzsche and 'great crimes' (was Heathen Imperialism and barbarism.)

--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "kshonan88" <kshonan88@y...>
wrote:
>
> I disagree. Its tiresome that N. is always taken out of context
> and his dislike of petty nationalism and his remarks on the
> contemporary Bismarckian politics of his time are always cited as
> N. favouring the Jews/the Allies or that he was somehow
> 'non-political'. Following N.'s BGE carefully, we see he actually
> prefers a blending of Med. and Nordic culture, in short, a
> classical Aryan form, in all its richness and varying hues...
> which is what NS set out to do. And
> considering N.'s ideal types were figures like Napoleon, Borgia,
> Caesar, etc., and Hitler's antisemitism was beyond good and evil,
> d not a mere Christian hatred of Jews

This is probably not the place to discuss Nietzsche's views on these
matters in more depth given that it is a forum devoted to Evola.
However, I never implied that Nietzsche favored the Jews/Allies or
was anti-political only that Hitler's crude methods would have
repulsed him. NS may have set out to construct something with
similar resonance but it is fairly clear they were well of the mark
in Nietzsche's terms. I cannot be sure how accurate the translation
is but some remarks from Evola, who saw NS as a dionysian tellurism
and not formed from above, may be pertinent in this regard and more
suited to the purpose of this forum, "One must realize that with
Hitler anti-Semitism had the role of a veritable obsession, whereby
it is not possible to fully explain the causes of this anti-Semitism
in its almost paranoid aspect, which had such tragic
consequences...Hitler's anti-Semitism had a forced, fanatical
character and points to a lack of inner control. This has led to a
stain of infamy on the Third Reich that will be very hard to wash
away." Il Fascismo (p180) cited in the intro to the American ed
of 'Men Among the Ruins.' If you want to believe Hitler was some
kind of messiah beyond good and evil and not just a crude demagogue
concerned with telluric forces and with no form from 'above' then
fine, but do not drag Herr Nietzsche's name into the mud with
him. "It is a matter of honour to me to be absolutely clean and
unequivocal regarding anti-Semitism, namely opposed, as I am in my
writings," from a letter to his sister and a final note to Overbeck
concludes "just now I am having all anti-Semites shot." Obviously
Nietzsche saw much in Judaism that needed to be opposed, ie the
chandala values that attempt to thwart Aryan ones, but given his
comments in such places as BGE250-251 and his discussion of the
concept of 'pure blood' in relation to the Law Code of Manu
in 'Twilight,' I am fairly sure he would not have found the Nazi's
methods to his taste and would have sided with individuals
like Junger who were initially sympathetic to general impetus of the
Nazi party but soon distanced themselves once they realised it was
just a crude and brutish mass movement with no formation
from 'above.'








Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:18 pm

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Given discussion in past posts are we to assume that an English translation of Heathen Imperialism will be made available at some time? If so, will it be based...
darklittleflame Offline Send Email Jan 6, 2006
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Given the regrettable indiscretion which was committed three weeks ago on another e-list and of which we got to hear, it would be useless to keep it secret for...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jan 6, 2006
1:47 pm

"The power of a new Middle Ages is needed - a revolt, interior as well as exterior, of a barbaric purity." Is there any ambiguity regarding the word Evola...
darklittleflame Offline Send Email Jan 8, 2006
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"We may call the Germanic peoples which invaded Rome 'barbarians', but not with respect to the degenerate Roman civilisation in which those peoples appeared,...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jan 8, 2006
6:18 pm

Thank you for the quote, most helpful. I am certainly aware of the timeless aspects of 'heathen imperialism,' which transcend any particular historical...
darklittleflame Offline Send Email Jan 9, 2006
9:25 am

It is safe to assume that Evola, in 'Heidnischer Imperialismus' as well as in his other works, appealed above all to the 'best ones'. As for those you call...
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... I was just going by the following from an interview with Julien Hervier: HERVIER: What was your position on the Nazi movement during its early stages? ...
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If this statement also includes contemporary 'fascism' then I can supply a long list of 'uncouth' elements - skinheads, oi punks, NSDAP Satanists, National...
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It doesn't ; otherwise we would have spoken of 'neo-Fascists', but we are grateful to you for offering us the opportunity to correct a slip of the tongue we...
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Inexplicable typing errors strike even the best of us from time to time... evola_as_he_is <evola_as_he_is@...> wrote: It doesn't ; otherwise we would...
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Bersekrs are a special incident of 'barbarism' due to the induction of an altered mind state. As has already been explained in the earlier quote from Dumezil,...
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It might be opportune at this point of the discussion to render here an article by comparitive religions scholar Mircea Eliade which has previously been...
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It might be opportune at this point of the discussion to render here an article by comparitive religions scholar Mircea Eliade which has previously been...
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"Given the above, I think your appellation of "shamanic warrior" is not completely out of place here". That is, if one agrees with and is willing to use...
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Obviously I have been reading too much Eliade of late, if one can spot a reference to Eliade without me even citing his name. He does to tend to see shamanism...
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"That is, if one agrees with and is willing to use Eliade's terminology. Basically, he sees Shamen everywhere, just like others see fertility cults...
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"A dominating race can grow up only out of terrible and violent beginnings. Problem: where are the barbarians of the twentieth century? Obviously, they will...
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... Seems a fairly big leap to go from the individual acts Nietzsche refers to in this passage to mass murder on an industrial sized scale. You neglect to add...
darklittleflame Offline Send Email Jan 10, 2006
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Of course it is up to debate whether ... I disagree. Its tiresome that N. is always taken out of context and his dislike of petty nationalism and his remarks...
kshonan88 Offline Send Email Jan 10, 2006
7:48 pm

... This is probably not the place to discuss Nietzsche's views on these matters in more depth given that it is a forum devoted to Evola. However, I never...
darklittleflame Offline Send Email Jan 11, 2006
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... Semitism ... the ... 1. BGE, 251 - ""Let no more Jews come in! And shut the doors, especially towards the East (also towards Austria)!" - thus commands the...
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Those who have read 'Three Aspects of the Jewish Problem' should see what Nietzsche's views on Jews and Evola's have in common and what distinguishes them. It...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jan 14, 2006
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Thank you for your interest. I urge that N.'s BGE, 251 be read more carefully; quote - "That the Jews could, if they wanted - or if they were compelled, as the...
kshonan88 Offline Send Email Jan 15, 2006
8:26 pm

Evola studied three aspects of the Jewish problem, and, in fact, more than just three of them, besides being deeply interested in Nietzsche's work, in which...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jan 11, 2006
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Thank you very much for that reference! Regards. ... more ... therefore ... published...
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In 'Revolt against the Modern World', chapter XI, Evola speaks of "prehistoric purity" about the Germans mentioned by Tacitus, stating: "What found expression...
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