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Julius Evola and The 'Independent Theosophical Association of Rome'   Message List  
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Evola and Nietzsche


As early as 1925 in 'L'individuo e il divenire del mondo', an
implicit reference was made by Evola to Nietzsche : "The I,
basically, is not a thing, a 'fact', but essentially a deep centre of
will-to-power". The same year, another important writing inspired by
the philosophy of Nietzsche was published, as 'Dioniso', in
Reghini's 'Ignis', and which summarised a lecture made by Evola,
within the framework of the group of the paper 'Ultra', under the
title 'Nietzsche e la Sapienza dei Misteri'. In that youth writing,
the German philosopher is seen as an emblematic representative of one
of the possible forms of irreligiosity, that which, towards the
reality of chaos and of the irrational, does not appeal to
transcendence. It is the Dionysian path, the 'will-to-power''s. To
Evola, it is a matter of establishing that the Dionysian path, if it
is right in rejecting merely devotional religiosity, is wrong insofar
as it regresses to a 'naturalistic' horizon. On this basis, Evola
could criticise Nietzsche for not being able to develop a "real
overcoming of the order of nature", while 'Nature' can only be
referred to a 'Principle', to a 'cause' of a metaphysical character,
which is defined by the term of 'Power'. This is the main criticism
which Evola always made of Nietzsche's 'Dionysianism' throughout his
life, from the chapter of 'Heidnischer Imperialismus' which he
dedicated to the German philosopher to 'L'equivoco
dell'irrazionalismo' (1936 - in 'Il Regime fascista'), at a time when
he was still deeply involved in Tantric studies. If Evola noticed the
philosophical similarities between some of Nietzsche's works and
Tantrism, he didn't elaborate on this, not even in 'The Yoga of
Power'. The fact is that, if those similarities you point out exist,
yet there is nothing 'naturalistic' about Tantric teachings.



--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, Savitar Devi
<savitar_devi@y...> wrote:
>
> Did not Theosophy in general, attract many ladies due to the
presence of Madame Blavatsky? There seems to be a qualitative
judgement formed by women, that if something is written by another
woman, then it must be of merit - this logic, unfortunately does not
take into account the accuracy or depth of the work. That being said
though, Blavatsky and Theosophy seemed to dupe a significant number
of males also. It is good to note that Evola was capable of spotting
the inherent flaws in the stanzas of Dyzan, amongst the other
forgeries.
>
> From this piece it sounds as if Vezzani did not have a good grasp
of Evola's theories if he thought it was 'applicable to humanity in
general'. Is it sound to assume that Evola noticed the philosophical
similarities between some of Nietzsche's works and Tantrism? That
would be quite an interesting angle of speculation to adopt,
especially as it seems to me the Dionysian/Apollonian dichotomy stems
from the Hindu/Vedic rivalry of Shiva/Rudra and Daksa/Prajapati,
which refer to two distinct 'esoteric pathways'.
>
> evola_as_he_is <evola_as_he_is@y...> wrote:
>
> The 'Independent Theosophical Association of Rome' was established
in
> 1897 by two groups of Roman Theosophists which existed since 1895
> over a lending library sponsored by Countess Constance
Watchmeister,
> and which had many ladies as members. It attracted straight away
> famous intellectuals, artists and writers, of whom Giovanni
> Armendola, who became later of one the main opponents to Mussolini.
> In 1807, Decio Calvari, the then leader of the 'Independent
> Theosophical Association of Rome', founded a review of spiritual
> studies and research called 'Ultra', whose editorial line managed
to
> keep its distance from the controversies between two of the main
> representatives of the spiritualist movement of that time, namely
> Rudolph Steiner and Blavatsky's favourite disciple, Annie Besant.
> Arturo Reghini was one of the collaborators of 'Ultra'. Evola
> considered Calvari as a "person of a real value" and to whom he
owed
> his "first contact with Tantrism".
>
> It's in a column of 'Ultra' that we learn that Julius Evola gave a
> lecture about 'Idealism, Occultism and the Problem of Modern
Spirit'
> under the aegis of that review on the 13th of December 1923. That
> lecture was based on an article published in it by Evola in August
of
> the same year as 'Idealism, Occultism and the Problem of
contemporary
> Spirit'. That essay followed the end of his dadaist experiences in
> the field of poetry and of painting. It is in line with the long
> philosophical thought which goes from Kant to German idealism,
> Nietzsche and Stirner's individualism. If Theosophy and
Anthroposophy
> are considered as "esoteric and magical" means by which man
> can "build immortality", "become God", in concrete reality, their
> flaw is that, on the theoretica plane, they are far below the
> speculative heights and the gnoseologic positions reached by the
> idealist tradition.
>
> In June 1924, 'Ultra' published the text of a lecture given by
Evola
> on the 10th of April at the 'Independent Theosophical Association
of
> Rome', namely 'Power as a metaphysical Value', in which the idea
that
> the ego consists only in will and that spirit and God are nothing
> more than autarchic and solipsist possibilities for the infinite
and
> absolute power of the individual aiming at becoming an "absolute
> individual" was reasserted. At the end of 1924, 'Ultra' published
an
> essay of Evola on the 'School of Wisdom' of H. Keyserling, in which
> he acknowledged that the work of this German philosopher and
> occultist has some merits, especially with respect to his views on
> the spiritual journey of the ego.
>
> It is at that time that he went deeper into his Tantric research.
He
> gave a lecture on it and worked out again his interpretation of
that
> tradition on the basis of his magical idealism. This led to the
> publication of 'L'Uomo come potenza' at the end of 1926. The first
> part was originally published in three successive issues of 'Ultra'
> as 'The Problem of East and West, and the Theory of knowledge
> according to the Tantra'. It was about trying to overcome the
> barriers between East and West on the basis of Tantric practice.
This
> approach was criticised immediately by Guénon, and, later, by Evola
> himself who rectified it in what was to become 'Lo Yoga della
> potenza'.
>
> The same year, the lectures on 'spiritual culture' organised by
> the 'Independent Theosophical Association of Rome' aroused an
> increasing interest. Besides Evola, Calvari, the famous
psychoanalyst
> Roberto Assagioli and the usual collaborators of 'Ultra', Colonna
di
> Cesaro, the eminent orientalist Giuseppe Tucci, the poet Arturo
> Onofri were involved in them. Another essay by Evola was published
in
> the last 1925 issue of 'Ultra' : 'L'individuo e il divenire del
> mondo'. It created so considerable a stir that it was translated in
> German and published in 1931 in the prestigious review 'Logos', to
> which Cassirer and Husserl collaborated. It was a presentation of
the
> solipsistic essence of 'Idealismo magico' and of 'Teoria
> dell'individuo assoluto', which the author offered as a spiritual-
> existentialist solution to the problems of the European soul in an
> epoch of decadence.
>
> The radically solipsistic line of his philosophy at that time was
> looking for a practical and theoretical development in religion,
> initiation and magic. His works on Tantrism and on Taoism are to be
> seen in this perspective. In search of points of reference to
support
> his ontological and spiritual solipsism, he kind of wandered from
> Tantrism to Graeco-Roman heathenism, from Taoism to the alchemy,
> interpreting everything in the cold light of the absolute
individual.
> He ended up clashing with Calvari and the other collaborators
> of 'Ultra'. In 'La via della realizzazione di sè secondo i misteri
di
> Mithra', he distinguished clearly his magical, initiatory,
masculine,
> spiritual path of self-realisation and of individual construction
> from the one which was advocated by the schools based on the
Vedanta,
> which tended to reduce the individual to a non-individual.. Now,
the
> Vedanta was at the root of theosophist spirituality. Because of
this,
> Calvari differentiated himself immediately from him.
>
> In 1926, the Indian poet and philosopher Tagore came to Italy and
was
> received by Mussolini and by Croce. During his stay, Tagore was
> accompanied by Assagioli, vice-president of the 'Independent
> Theosophical Association of Rome' and sub-editor of 'Ultra'. He
> managed to obtain from Tagore a contribution to the review and
> organised a meeting between him and the editorial staff of 'Ultra',
> of whom Evola. This didn't ease the crisis between him and
> the 'I.T.A.R.'. First, Evola started to contribute on a regular
basis
> to another paper, Botai's 'Critica fascista' and, in a way,
> he 'competed' with 'Ultra' by publishing in January 1927 the first
> issue of 'Ur', a monthly of "initiatory sciences".
>
> The definitive break came as a result of the review by Vezzani, one
> of the main collaborators of 'Ultra', of 'L'uomo come potenza',
> published in 1926. After having praised the "young writer of
genius"
> whom Evola was according to him, he criticised his anti-
Christianity
> and his magical idealism as being "neither moral, nor religious,
but
> far below a morality and a religion which he does not understand.
It
> is amoral and irreligious and thus constitutes a infra-human line
of
> development which can be tragically dangerous for whoever could
> follow him in particular and for humanity in general" (Evola,
> however, never thought of applying it to "humanity in general").
>
> Some of the criticisms made by Vezzani to 'L'uomo come potenza'
were
> resumed later by Evola himself who came to acknowledge that, if the
> Western man had assumed "directly such doctrines, this would have
> caused an unavoidable and destructive short-circuit, madness or
self-
> destruction", and, more generally, that he still hadn't fully
> fathomed the deep essence of traditional spirituality. Vezzani's
> article started a violent controversy between them which developed
in
> the following issues of 'Ultra' and which confirmed that their
> respective positions were irreconcilable. Evola, faithful to his
> concept of God as a mere possibility of the individual, affirmed
that
> the latter, while building immortality, must act "beyond good and
> evil", within a magical process similar to "the chemical process of
> the formation of dynamite, which is neither good nor bad, but
simply
> possible, since good and evil only concern the use which can be
made
> of dynamite". Vezzani, as for him, thought that morality is a
> fundamental aspect, not only of the religious path, but also of the
> esoteric and initiatory path, and contested any "autonomous
> development opposed to the divinity and aiming at breaking its
laws",
> while standing up for the values of love and charity which,
according
> to him, were the cornerstones of all traditions, to start with
> Mahâyâna Buddhism.
>
> The "transcendent experimentation" uphold by Evola in 'Ur' and in
his
> other writings at that time opposed logically the theosophical
> culture of 'Ultra' and of the society led by Calvari. In a long
essay
> published in 1927 in 'Bilychnis', Evola condemned Theosophy as the
> opposite of true occultism ("which is only a system of practical
and
> transcendent experiences") and as visionary and sentimental
ramblings
> mixed with a misunderstood Gnosticism.
>
> The break, however, was not total. Various collaborators of 'Ur'
were
> Anthroposophists, others referred to Kremmerz, to 'esoteric
> Christianity' or to 'Masonic tradition'. Evola, as for him, aimed
at
> condemning severely the irrational, modern and democratic aspects
of
> the theosophist and anthropologist culture, but, at the same time,
he
> could not deny some of its positive intellectual aspects. As he was
> still a member of the editorial staff of 'Ultra', in the June/July
> issue of 'Ignis', he came down strongly against Anthroposophy,
> created by Steiner in 1913, as most of his collaborators were about
> to become Steinerians. A few years later, in 1930, while still
> denouncing the intellectual pretensions of Theosophy, he
acknowledged
> the value of various personalities of the European theosophic
scene,
> of whom Calvari.
>
> From the particular events which marked the collaboration of Julius
> Evola to 'Ultra' and the 'Independent Theosophical Association of
> Rome' in the 1920's, it seems that a major element emerges : the
> experience of theosophical culture played a certain part in Evola's
> discovery of the "faces and masks of contemporary spirituality",
and
> not - as assumed by Marco Rossi, the author of the article which we
> have summarised here - "in the development of Evola's personal
ideal
> and spiritual panorama".
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The 'Independent Theosophical Association of Rome' was established in 1897 by two groups of Roman Theosophists which existed since 1895 over a lending library...
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Did not Theosophy in general, attract many ladies due to the presence of Madame Blavatsky? There seems to be a qualitative judgement formed by women, that if...
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As early as 1925 in 'L'individuo e il divenire del mondo', an implicit reference was made by Evola to Nietzsche : "The I, basically, is not a thing, a 'fact',...
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It is ultimately very Nietzschean to disagree with Nietzsche, so paradoxically it is actually a far greater credit to Nietzsche that Evola plays by providing a...
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At this point, it may not be a luxury to say a few words about Nietzsche's views on woman. To do this, a convenient starting point is given to us by the...
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Interesting, I was not aware of that statement in the 'Unpublished Notebooks'. Maya, is of course also a woman - at once the demon architect, and the essence...
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One should not have a fixation about the figure of the Nietzschean 'Superman', indeed. Spengler - if we are not mistaken, it was him - rightly noted that,...
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It doesn't look like Theosophy attracted many ladies due to the presence of Blavatsky. Her early followers, as you suspect, were mostly males, at least in...
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Your theory on the charity movement is interesting. I had once heard that the rise of feminism was linked with the philosophy of John Stuart Mill; however I...
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