Julius Evola and the greek Golden Dawn

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  • emmanuelparapine
    The Greek nationalist party Golden Dawn (named after a phrase contained in the Odyssey of Homer) is led by Nikolos Michaloliakos, a former member of an
    Message 1 of 7 , May 31 5:36 PM
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      The Greek nationalist party "Golden Dawn" (named after a phrase contained in the Odyssey of Homer) is led by Nikolos Michaloliakos, a former member of an alleged terrorist group defending the political heritage of Ioannis Metaxas. Contrary to the various assertions of the cosmopolitan medias, the Golden Dawn logo is not a swastika, but the traditional greek meander - moreover, every member of this forum obviously know that the raised-arm salute was not coined by "nazis" but dates back to the earlier Antiquity. Although this movement is seemingly far from being hostile to Adolf Hitler, the German Reich and its Weltanschauung, Golden Dawn ideological and symbolical universe can not be reduced to that single historical experiment. Besides, it is a dynamic party which is not in a logic of folklore and parody like so many sex-shop "nazi" groups and individuals.It has become worldwide famous after the recent election of 21 Golden Dawn deputies. They also gained additional media attention after several polemic statements - one denying the existence, not only of gas chambers but also of cremation ovens (that implies a certain lack of information on the revisionist thesis) and another one proposing to put anti-personnel mines accross the border with Turkey. They are also reputed for their proximity actions in favor of security, consisting in getting the streets rid of the insecurity by the means of violence and providing free bodyguarding services to elderly people who might want, for instance, to withdraw some money from their bank account.

      It becomes particularly interesting from our point of view when we learn that Evola seems to be one of their ideological references. We can thus read on the "traditionalistblog" of Mark Sedgwick (http://traditionalistblog.blogspot.fr/2012/05/evola-poised-to-enter-greek-parliament.html) :

      " the first book on the "books" section of the Golden Dawn's website is their Greek translation of Julius Evola, Essays on Tradition and the Modern World "

      " the influence of Evola can also be found, though not so prominently. He is, as has been said, on the book list. Condemnation of modernity and of "the modern world" appears in the archive of "ideological texts," and the penultimate (11th) point to which members commit themselves is to "honor and respect Tradition." They also accept that "nationalism is the only absolute and real revolution because it seeks the birth of new ethical, spiritual, social and psychic values." We learn that the Golden Dawn's Youth Movement "is not a simple political formation, and requires of members a particular way of life based on honor, morality and virtue."

      Does any member of this forum know what is their exact relationship to Evola's work ?
    • Evola
      A message by Michel Lord was deleted by mistake - we make mistakes : we are no traditionalist. It concerned Golden Dawn, which turns out to fail the test of
      Message 2 of 7 , Jul 1, 2012
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        A message by Michel Lord was deleted by mistake - we make mistakes : we are no traditionalist. It concerned Golden Dawn, which turns out to fail the test of traditionalism. From our point of view, this is not a bad indication a priori, since traditionalists, to quote one of the key authors of traditionalists, namely R. Guénon, are "people who only have a sort of tendency or aspiration toward tradition without really knowing anything at all about it." From this standpoint of ours, a racist and European one, whenever a party is dubbed as `nationalist' by the media, it is a question of whether it promotes a catagogic form or a restorative form of nationalism, willing and able "to shape
        and organise all that corresponds in the social whole to the bodily, vital, or animal part of a human organism, and that was the domain of the two inferior classes - work, economy, political organisation in the strict sense - and to bring about an 'economic peace' which, 'depressurising' the society, will allow energies of the superior type to free themselves and to act on a higher plane"
        (http://thompkins_cariou.tripod.com/id80.html), in short : to restore
        `autonomia' and, above all, `autarkeia'. Do Chrysi Avgi's leaders (incidentally, an acknowledged expert on J. Evola's work mentions on his website that "the first book on the "books" section of the Golden Dawn's website is their Greek translation of Julius Evola, Essays on Tradition and the Modern World", a book that cannot be found in the list of works by the Italian author) share this view ?

        There is no way for us to know. Chrysi Avgi's political platform does not seem to have published online in any of the language we can read, - not that political programs matter. It is drowned in the usual media relentless polemical, rhetorical diarrhoea, made from a mixture of imputations of racism, of `neo-Nazism', and of anti-Semitism. The only thing certain about Chrysi Avgvi's guidelines is that they go against the extremism typical of the policy of those who have run, managed occupied Europe since 1945. Extremism means to destroy a country ethnically, spiritually, socially, economically, and financially, by flooding it with extra-European immigrants and placing it under
        the yoke of the Stalinist-like so-called 'European Union' and, ultimately, of a stateless high finance. To expel massively extra-European immigrants, whether legal or illegal, is an absolute precondition for the survival of the country, and, for that matter, for the survival of any European country currently plagued
        by mass immigration and by the political schemers who implement it in accordance with the aggressive globalist ideology upheld by their `unknown superiors'. It goes without saying that such measure could only be taken and implemented by a nationalist organisation of a restorative character, once in power, and it is equally clear that the coming to power of a similar organisation by democratic means is wishful thinking.

        Chrysi Avgi is confined to neighbourhood actions, which they seem to carry out efficiently. Their leaders and militants set journalists and political schemers straight. Pending possible additional information about their approach to J. Evola, that's all we can say on the subject at this time.


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        --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "emmanuelparapine" <emmanuelparapine@...> wrote:
        >
        > The Greek nationalist party "Golden Dawn" (named after a phrase contained in the Odyssey of Homer) is led by Nikolos Michaloliakos, a former member of an alleged terrorist group defending the political heritage of Ioannis Metaxas. Contrary to the various assertions of the cosmopolitan medias, the Golden Dawn logo is not a swastika, but the traditional greek meander - moreover, every member of this forum obviously know that the raised-arm salute was not coined by "nazis" but dates back to the earlier Antiquity. Although this movement is seemingly far from being hostile to Adolf Hitler, the German Reich and its Weltanschauung, Golden Dawn ideological and symbolical universe can not be reduced to that single historical experiment. Besides, it is a dynamic party which is not in a logic of folklore and parody like so many sex-shop "nazi" groups and individuals.It has become worldwide famous after the recent election of 21 Golden Dawn deputies. They also gained additional media attention after several polemic statements - one denying the existence, not only of gas chambers but also of cremation ovens (that implies a certain lack of information on the revisionist thesis) and another one proposing to put anti-personnel mines accross the border with Turkey. They are also reputed for their proximity actions in favor of security, consisting in getting the streets rid of the insecurity by the means of violence and providing free bodyguarding services to elderly people who might want, for instance, to withdraw some money from their bank account.
        >
        > It becomes particularly interesting from our point of view when we learn that Evola seems to be one of their ideological references. We can thus read on the "traditionalistblog" of Mark Sedgwick (http://traditionalistblog.blogspot.fr/2012/05/evola-poised-to-enter-greek-parliament.html) :
        >
        > " the first book on the "books" section of the Golden Dawn's website is their Greek translation of Julius Evola, Essays on Tradition and the Modern World "
        >
        > " the influence of Evola can also be found, though not so prominently. He is, as has been said, on the book list. Condemnation of modernity and of "the modern world" appears in the archive of "ideological texts," and the penultimate (11th) point to which members commit themselves is to "honor and respect Tradition." They also accept that "nationalism is the only absolute and real revolution because it seeks the birth of new ethical, spiritual, social and psychic values." We learn that the Golden Dawn's Youth Movement "is not a simple political formation, and requires of members a particular way of life based on honor, morality and virtue."
        >
        > Does any member of this forum know what is their exact relationship to Evola's work ?
        >
      • Parapine Emmanuel
        Κείμενα για την Παράδοση και τον Σύγχρονο Κόσμο (translated by Sedgwick as Essays on tradition and the modern world )
        Message 3 of 7 , Jul 4, 2012
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          Κείμενα για την Παράδοση και τον Σύγχρονο Κόσμο (translated by Sedgwick as "Essays on tradition and the modern world") has necessarily a link with Evola since its name appears - seemingly - as the author on that book's cover (cf : http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FKdGU-t1rjo/TThF9twl50I/AAAAAAAAB1o/hOp1IWnF2s0/s1600/9-evola.jpg). It is more likely a collection of various essays and excerpts from his works than the translation of a whole book. A description found on http://xabooks.blogspot.fr seems to confirm it : http://xabooks.blogspot.fr/2011/01/blog-post_1543.html

          Translated with Google, it reads :

          Julius Evola
          Publisher: GOLDEN DAWN, 2.01 thousand 
          € 12,00 This book contains a collection of texts of the great Italian philosopher July vaccines, most of which have been published in the journal GOLDEN DAWN. Contains chapters from his books "Revolt against the modern world", "People in the ruins", and an article about the relationship of Judaism with Freemasonry. Unknown in Greek readership (and until a few years and in English) The vaccines had the same deal with many other writers and philosophers whose writings contradict the established view of modern times and for that reason either completely ignored or given the most "harmless" (when it can not be otherwise because of their author), always with appropriate warnings about the absolute evil of their political views and file their social conscience to accompany them ..."


          From: Evola <evola_as_he_is@...>
          To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 10:52 PM
          Subject: [evola_as_he_is] Re: Julius Evola and the greek Golden Dawn

           
          A message by Michel Lord was deleted by mistake - we make mistakes : we are no traditionalist. It concerned Golden Dawn, which turns out to fail the test of traditionalism. From our point of view, this is not a bad indication a priori, since traditionalists, to quote one of the key authors of traditionalists, namely R. Guénon, are "people who only have a sort of tendency or aspiration toward tradition without really knowing anything at all about it." From this standpoint of ours, a racist and European one, whenever a party is dubbed as `nationalist' by the media, it is a question of whether it promotes a catagogic form or a restorative form of nationalism, willing and able "to shape
          and organise all that corresponds in the social whole to the bodily, vital, or animal part of a human organism, and that was the domain of the two inferior classes - work, economy, political organisation in the strict sense - and to bring about an 'economic peace' which, 'depressurising' the society, will allow energies of the superior type to free themselves and to act on a higher plane"
          (http://thompkins_cariou.tripod.com/id80.html), in short : to restore
          `autonomia' and, above all, `autarkeia'. Do Chrysi Avgi's leaders (incidentally, an acknowledged expert on J. Evola's work mentions on his website that "the first book on the "books" section of the Golden Dawn's website is their Greek translation of Julius Evola, Essays on Tradition and the Modern World", a book that cannot be found in the list of works by the Italian author) share this view ?

          There is no way for us to know. Chrysi Avgi's political platform does not seem to have published online in any of the language we can read, - not that political programs matter. It is drowned in the usual media relentless polemical, rhetorical diarrhoea, made from a mixture of imputations of racism, of `neo-Nazism', and of anti-Semitism. The only thing certain about Chrysi Avgvi's guidelines is that they go against the extremism typical of the policy of those who have run, managed occupied Europe since 1945. Extremism means to destroy a country ethnically, spiritually, socially, economically, and financially, by flooding it with extra-European immigrants and placing it under
          the yoke of the Stalinist-like so-called 'European Union' and, ultimately, of a stateless high finance. To expel massively extra-European immigrants, whether legal or illegal, is an absolute precondition for the survival of the country, and, for that matter, for the survival of any European country currently plagued
          by mass immigration and by the political schemers who implement it in accordance with the aggressive globalist ideology upheld by their `unknown superiors'. It goes without saying that such measure could only be taken and implemented by a nationalist organisation of a restorative character, once in power, and it is equally clear that the coming to power of a similar organisation by democratic means is wishful thinking.

          Chrysi Avgi is confined to neighbourhood actions, which they seem to carry out efficiently. Their leaders and militants set journalists and political schemers straight. Pending possible additional information about their approach to J. Evola, that's all we can say on the subject at this time.

          Show message history
          --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "emmanuelparapine" <emmanuelparapine@...> wrote:
          >
          > The Greek nationalist party "Golden Dawn" (named after a phrase contained in the Odyssey of Homer) is led by Nikolos Michaloliakos, a former member of an alleged terrorist group defending the political heritage of Ioannis Metaxas. Contrary to the various assertions of the cosmopolitan medias, the Golden Dawn logo is not a swastika, but the traditional greek meander - moreover, every member of this forum obviously know that the raised-arm salute was not coined by "nazis" but dates back to the earlier Antiquity. Although this movement is seemingly far from being hostile to Adolf Hitler, the German Reich and its Weltanschauung, Golden Dawn ideological and symbolical universe can not be reduced to that single historical experiment. Besides, it is a dynamic party which is not in a logic of folklore and parody like so many sex-shop "nazi" groups and individuals.It has become worldwide famous after the recent election of 21 Golden Dawn deputies. They also gained additional media attention after several polemic statements - one denying the existence, not only of gas chambers but also of cremation ovens (that implies a certain lack of information on the revisionist thesis) and another one proposing to put anti-personnel mines accross the border with Turkey. They are also reputed for their proximity actions in favor of security, consisting in getting the streets rid of the insecurity by the means of violence and providing free bodyguarding services to elderly people who might want, for instance, to withdraw some money from their bank account.
          >
          > It becomes particularly interesting from our point of view when we learn that Evola seems to be one of their ideological references. We can thus read on the "traditionalistblog" of Mark Sedgwick (http://traditionalistblog.blogspot.fr/2012/05/evola-poised-to-enter-greek-parliament.html) :
          >
          > " the first book on the "books" section of the Golden Dawn's website is their Greek translation of Julius Evola, Essays on Tradition and the Modern World "
          >
          > " the influence of Evola can also be found, though not so prominently. He is, as has been said, on the book list. Condemnation of modernity and of "the modern world" appears in the archive of "ideological texts," and the penultimate (11th) point to which members commit themselves is to "honor and respect Tradition." They also accept that "nationalism is the only absolute and real revolution because it seeks the birth of new ethical, spiritual, social and psychic values." We learn that the Golden Dawn's Youth Movement "is not a simple political formation, and requires of members a particular way of life based on honor, morality and virtue."
          >
          > Does any member of this forum know what is their exact relationship to Evola's work ?
          >



        • Evola
          Our taste for precision will bring us to ruin.
          Message 4 of 7 , Jul 4, 2012
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            Our taste for precision will bring us to ruin.




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            --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, Parapine Emmanuel <emmanuelparapine@...> wrote:
            >
            > Κείμενα
            > για την Παράδοση και τον Σύγχρονο Κόσμο (translated by Sedgwick as "Essays on tradition and the modern world") has necessarily a link with Evola since its name appears - seemingly - as the author on that book's cover (cf : http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FKdGU-t1rjo/TThF9twl50I/AAAAAAAAB1o/hOp1IWnF2s0/s1600/9-evola.jpg). It is more likely a collection of various essays and excerpts from his works than the translation of a whole book. A description found on http://xabooks.blogspot.fr seems to confirm it : http://xabooks.blogspot.fr/2011/01/blog-post_1543.html
            > Translated with Google, it reads :
            >
            > " Julius EvolaPublisher: GOLDEN DAWN, 2.01 thousand 
            > € 12,00 This book contains a collection of texts of the great Italian philosopher July vaccines, most of which have been published in the journal GOLDEN DAWN. Contains chapters from his books "Revolt against the modern world", "People in the ruins", and an article about the relationship of Judaism with Freemasonry. Unknown in Greek readership (and until a few years and in English) The vaccines had the same deal with many other writers and philosophers whose writings contradict the established view of modern times and for that reason either completely ignored or given the most "harmless" (when it can not be otherwise because of their author), always with appropriate warnings about the absolute evil of their political views and file their social conscience to accompany them ..."
            >
            >
            > ________________________________
            > From: Evola <evola_as_he_is@...>
            > To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 10:52 PM
            > Subject: [evola_as_he_is] Re: Julius Evola and the greek Golden Dawn
            >
            >
            >  
            > A message by Michel Lord was deleted by mistake - we make mistakes : we are no traditionalist. It concerned Golden Dawn, which turns out to fail the test of traditionalism. From our point of view, this is not a bad indication a priori, since traditionalists, to quote one of the key authors of traditionalists, namely R. Guénon, are "people who only have a sort of tendency or aspiration toward tradition without really knowing anything at all about it." From this standpoint of ours, a racist and European one, whenever a party is dubbed as `nationalist' by the media, it is a question of whether it promotes a catagogic form or a restorative form of nationalism, willing and able "to shape
            > and organise all that corresponds in the social whole to the bodily, vital, or animal part of a human organism, and that was the domain of the two inferior classes - work, economy, political organisation in the strict sense - and to bring about an 'economic peace' which, 'depressurising' the society, will allow energies of the superior type to free themselves and to act on a higher plane"
            > (http://thompkins_cariou.tripod.com/id80.html), in short : to restore
            > `autonomia' and, above all, `autarkeia'. Do Chrysi Avgi's leaders (incidentally, an acknowledged expert on J. Evola's work mentions on his website that "the first book on the "books" section of the Golden Dawn's website is their Greek translation of Julius Evola, Essays on Tradition and the Modern World", a book that cannot be found in the list of works by the Italian author) share this view ?
            >
            > There is no way for us to know. Chrysi Avgi's political platform does not seem to have published online in any of the language we can read, - not that political programs matter. It is drowned in the usual media relentless polemical, rhetorical diarrhoea, made from a mixture of imputations of racism, of `neo-Nazism', and of anti-Semitism. The only thing certain about Chrysi Avgvi's guidelines is that they go against the extremism typical of the policy of those who have run, managed occupied Europe since 1945. Extremism means to destroy a country ethnically, spiritually, socially, economically, and financially, by flooding it with extra-European immigrants and placing it under
            > the yoke of the Stalinist-like so-called 'European Union' and, ultimately, of a stateless high finance. To expel massively extra-European immigrants, whether legal or illegal, is an absolute precondition for the survival of the country, and, for that matter, for the survival of any European country currently plagued
            > by mass immigration and by the political schemers who implement it in accordance with the aggressive globalist ideology upheld by their `unknown superiors'. It goes without saying that such measure could only be taken and implemented by a nationalist organisation of a restorative character, once in power, and it is equally clear that the coming to power of a similar organisation by democratic means is wishful thinking.
            >
            > Chrysi Avgi is confined to neighbourhood actions, which they seem to carry out efficiently. Their leaders and militants set journalists and political schemers straight. Pending possible additional information about their approach to J. Evola, that's all we can say on the subject at this time.
            >
            > --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "emmanuelparapine" <emmanuelparapine@> wrote:
            > >
            > > The Greek nationalist party "Golden Dawn" (named after a phrase contained in the Odyssey of Homer) is led by Nikolos Michaloliakos, a former member of an alleged terrorist group defending the political heritage of Ioannis Metaxas. Contrary to the various assertions of the cosmopolitan medias, the Golden Dawn logo is not a swastika, but the traditional greek meander - moreover, every member of this forum obviously know that the raised-arm salute was not coined by "nazis" but dates back to the earlier Antiquity. Although this movement is seemingly far from being hostile to Adolf Hitler, the German Reich and its Weltanschauung, Golden Dawn ideological and symbolical universe can not be reduced to that single historical experiment. Besides, it is a dynamic party which is not in a logic of folklore and parody like so many sex-shop "nazi" groups and individuals.It has become worldwide famous after the recent election of 21 Golden Dawn deputies. They also
            > gained additional media attention after several polemic statements - one denying the existence, not only of gas chambers but also of cremation ovens (that implies a certain lack of information on the revisionist thesis) and another one proposing to put anti-personnel mines accross the border with Turkey. They are also reputed for their proximity actions in favor of security, consisting in getting the streets rid of the insecurity by the means of violence and providing free bodyguarding services to elderly people who might want, for instance, to withdraw some money from their bank account.
            > >
            > > It becomes particularly interesting from our point of view when we learn that Evola seems to be one of their ideological references. We can thus read on the "traditionalistblog" of Mark Sedgwick (http://traditionalistblog.blogspot.fr/2012/05/evola-poised-to-enter-greek-parliament.html) :
            > >
            > > " the first book on the "books" section of the Golden Dawn's website is their Greek translation of Julius Evola, Essays on Tradition and the Modern World "
            > >
            > > " the influence of Evola can also be found, though not so prominently. He is, as has been said, on the book list. Condemnation of modernity and of "the modern world" appears in the archive of "ideological texts," and the penultimate (11th) point to which members commit themselves is to "honor and respect Tradition." They also accept that "nationalism is the only absolute and real revolution because it seeks the birth of new ethical, spiritual, social and psychic values." We learn that the Golden Dawn's Youth Movement "is not a simple political formation, and requires of members a particular way of life based on honor, morality and virtue."
            > >
            > > Does any member of this forum know what is their exact relationship to Evola's work ?
            > >
            >
          • G. van der Heide
            Golden Dawn and the two nationalisms: The term and concept of Nationalism is general and does not necessarily contain a specific model of political
            Message 5 of 7 , Mar 21, 2013
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              Golden Dawn and the two nationalisms:

              "The term and concept of Nationalism is general and does not necessarily contain a specific model of political government. It is a generality and so both its acceptance, or rejection without clarification is often an energy flimsy and frivolous. "


              Therefore, an urgent need to define our own nationalism is emerging. The nationalism in which we, the Golden Dawners, believe. Our Nationalism has nothing to do with the "Jacobin nationalism" that was the outcome of the French Revolution. This "nationalism" that demanded the overcome of the old world for social and economic reasons and in many cases achieved this by using the Idea (and Biological Reality) of the Nation. Yet at the same time resulted in leveling and destruction of traditional structures of the community, such as the Physical Hierarchy, or order and respect for Archetypes.


              http://golden-dawn-international-newsroom.blogspot.gr/2013/03/our-nationalism.html#more


              To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
              From: evola_as_he_is@...
              Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 09:07:40 +0000
              Subject: [evola_as_he_is] Re: Julius Evola and the greek Golden Dawn

               
              Our taste for precision will bring us to ruin.

              Show message history
              --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, Parapine Emmanuel <emmanuelparapine@...> wrote:
              >
              > Κείμενα
              > για την Παράδοση και τον Σύγχρονο Κόσμο (translated by Sedgwick as "Essays on tradition and the modern world") has necessarily a link with Evola since its name appears - seemingly - as the author on that book's cover (cf : http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FKdGU-t1rjo/TThF9twl50I/AAAAAAAAB1o/hOp1IWnF2s0/s1600/9-evola.jpg). It is more likely a collection of various essays and excerpts from his works than the translation of a whole book. A description found on http://xabooks.blogspot.fr seems to confirm it : http://xabooks.blogspot.fr/2011/01/blog-post_1543.html
              > Translated with Google, it reads :
              >
              > " Julius EvolaPublisher: GOLDEN DAWN, 2.01 thousand 
              > € 12,00 This book contains a collection of texts of the great Italian philosopher July vaccines, most of which have been published in the journal GOLDEN DAWN. Contains chapters from his books "Revolt against the modern world", "People in the ruins", and an article about the relationship of Judaism with Freemasonry. Unknown in Greek readership (and until a few years and in English) The vaccines had the same deal with many other writers and philosophers whose writings contradict the established view of modern times and for that reason either completely ignored or given the most "harmless" (when it can not be otherwise because of their author), always with appropriate warnings about the absolute evil of their political views and file their social conscience to accompany them ..."
              >
              >
              > ________________________________
              > From: Evola <evola_as_he_is@...>
              > To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 10:52 PM
              > Subject: [evola_as_he_is] Re: Julius Evola and the greek Golden Dawn
              >
              >
              >  
              > A message by Michel Lord was deleted by mistake - we make mistakes : we are no traditionalist. It concerned Golden Dawn, which turns out to fail the test of traditionalism. From our point of view, this is not a bad indication a priori, since traditionalists, to quote one of the key authors of traditionalists, namely R. Guénon, are "people who only have a sort of tendency or aspiration toward tradition without really knowing anything at all about it." From this standpoint of ours, a racist and European one, whenever a party is dubbed as `nationalist' by the media, it is a question of whether it promotes a catagogic form or a restorative form of nationalism, willing and able "to shape
              > and organise all that corresponds in the social whole to the bodily, vital, or animal part of a human organism, and that was the domain of the two inferior classes - work, economy, political organisation in the strict sense - and to bring about an 'economic peace' which, 'depressurising' the society, will allow energies of the superior type to free themselves and to act on a higher plane"
              > (http://thompkins_cariou.tripod.com/id80.html), in short : to restore
              > `autonomia' and, above all, `autarkeia'. Do Chrysi Avgi's leaders (incidentally, an acknowledged expert on J. Evola's work mentions on his website that "the first book on the "books" section of the Golden Dawn's website is their Greek translation of Julius Evola, Essays on Tradition and the Modern World", a book that cannot be found in the list of works by the Italian author) share this view ?
              >
              > There is no way for us to know. Chrysi Avgi's political platform does not seem to have published online in any of the language we can read, - not that political programs matter. It is drowned in the usual media relentless polemical, rhetorical diarrhoea, made from a mixture of imputations of racism, of `neo-Nazism', and of anti-Semitism. The only thing certain about Chrysi Avgvi's guidelines is that they go against the extremism typical of the policy of those who have run, managed occupied Europe since 1945. Extremism means to destroy a country ethnically, spiritually, socially, economically, and financially, by flooding it with extra-European immigrants and placing it under
              > the yoke of the Stalinist-like so-called 'European Union' and, ultimately, of a stateless high finance. To expel massively extra-European immigrants, whether legal or illegal, is an absolute precondition for the survival of the country, and, for that matter, for the survival of any European country currently plagued
              > by mass immigration and by the political schemers who implement it in accordance with the aggressive globalist ideology upheld by their `unknown superiors'. It goes without saying that such measure could only be taken and implemented by a nationalist organisation of a restorative character, once in power, and it is equally clear that the coming to power of a similar organisation by democratic means is wishful thinking.
              >
              > Chrysi Avgi is confined to neighbourhood actions, which they seem to carry out efficiently. Their leaders and militants set journalists and political schemers straight. Pending possible additional information about their approach to J. Evola, that's all we can say on the subject at this time.
              >
              > --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "emmanuelparapine" <emmanuelparapine@> wrote:
              > >
              > > The Greek nationalist party "Golden Dawn" (named after a phrase contained in the Odyssey of Homer) is led by Nikolos Michaloliakos, a former member of an alleged terrorist group defending the political heritage of Ioannis Metaxas. Contrary to the various assertions of the cosmopolitan medias, the Golden Dawn logo is not a swastika, but the traditional greek meander - moreover, every member of this forum obviously know that the raised-arm salute was not coined by "nazis" but dates back to the earlier Antiquity. Although this movement is seemingly far from being hostile to Adolf Hitler, the German Reich and its Weltanschauung, Golden Dawn ideological and symbolical universe can not be reduced to that single historical experiment. Besides, it is a dynamic party which is not in a logic of folklore and parody like so many sex-shop "nazi" groups and individuals.It has become worldwide famous after the recent election of 21 Golden Dawn deputies. They also
              > gained additional media attention after several polemic statements - one denying the existence, not only of gas chambers but also of cremation ovens (that implies a certain lack of information on the revisionist thesis) and another one proposing to put anti-personnel mines accross the border with Turkey. They are also reputed for their proximity actions in favor of security, consisting in getting the streets rid of the insecurity by the means of violence and providing free bodyguarding services to elderly people who might want, for instance, to withdraw some money from their bank account.
              > >
              > > It becomes particularly interesting from our point of view when we learn that Evola seems to be one of their ideological references. We can thus read on the "traditionalistblog" of Mark Sedgwick (http://traditionalistblog.blogspot.fr/2012/05/evola-poised-to-enter-greek-parliament.html) :
              > >
              > > " the first book on the "books" section of the Golden Dawn's website is their Greek translation of Julius Evola, Essays on Tradition and the Modern World "
              > >
              > > " the influence of Evola can also be found, though not so prominently. He is, as has been said, on the book list. Condemnation of modernity and of "the modern world" appears in the archive of "ideological texts," and the penultimate (11th) point to which members commit themselves is to "honor and respect Tradition." They also accept that "nationalism is the only absolute and real revolution because it seeks the birth of new ethical, spiritual, social and psychic values." We learn that the Golden Dawn's Youth Movement "is not a simple political formation, and requires of members a particular way of life based on honor, morality and virtue."
              > >
              > > Does any member of this forum know what is their exact relationship to Evola's work ?
              > >
              >


            • G. van der Heide
              Obviously this is not Golden Dawn, but have you seen Arma Hellas ? http://www.armahellas.com/?page_id=218 http://www.armahellas.com/?p=197 To:
              Message 6 of 7 , Apr 8, 2014
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                Obviously this is not Golden Dawn, but have you seen "Arma Hellas"? 

                http://www.armahellas.com/?page_id=218 
                http://www.armahellas.com/?p=197 


                To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
                From: g.vdheide@...
                Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:24:27 +0100
                Subject: RE: [evola_as_he_is] Re: Julius Evola and the greek Golden Dawn

                 

                Golden Dawn and the two nationalisms:

                "The term and concept of Nationalism is general and does not necessarily contain a specific model of political government. It is a generality and so both its acceptance, or rejection without clarification is often an energy flimsy and frivolous. "

                Therefore, an urgent need to define our own nationalism is emerging. The nationalism in which we, the Golden Dawners, believe. Our Nationalism has nothing to do with the "Jacobin nationalism" that was the outcome of the French Revolution. This "nationalism" that demanded the overcome of the old world for social and economic reasons and in many cases achieved this by using the Idea (and Biological Reality) of the Nation. Yet at the same time resulted in leveling and destruction of traditional structures of the community, such as the Physical Hierarchy, or order and respect for Archetypes.



                http://golden-dawn-international-newsroom.blogspot.gr/2013/03/our-nationalism.html#more


                To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
                From: evola_as_he_is@...
                Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 09:07:40 +0000
                Subject: [evola_as_he_is] Re: Julius Evola and the greek Golden Dawn

                 
                Our taste for precision will bring us to ruin.

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                --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, Parapine Emmanuel <emmanuelparapine@...> wrote:
                >
                > Κείμενα
                > για την Παράδοση και τον Σύγχρονο Κόσμο (translated by Sedgwick as "Essays on tradition and the modern world") has necessarily a link with Evola since its name appears - seemingly - as the author on that book's cover (cf : http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FKdGU-t1rjo/TThF9twl50I/AAAAAAAAB1o/hOp1IWnF2s0/s1600/9-evola.jpg). It is more likely a collection of various essays and excerpts from his works than the translation of a whole book. A description found on http://xabooks.blogspot.fr seems to confirm it : http://xabooks.blogspot.fr/2011/01/blog-post_1543.html
                > Translated with Google, it reads :
                >
                > " Julius EvolaPublisher: GOLDEN DAWN, 2.01 thousand 
                > € 12,00 This book contains a collection of texts of the great Italian philosopher July vaccines, most of which have been published in the journal GOLDEN DAWN. Contains chapters from his books "Revolt against the modern world", "People in the ruins", and an article about the relationship of Judaism with Freemasonry. Unknown in Greek readership (and until a few years and in English) The vaccines had the same deal with many other writers and philosophers whose writings contradict the established view of modern times and for that reason either completely ignored or given the most "harmless" (when it can not be otherwise because of their author), always with appropriate warnings about the absolute evil of their political views and file their social conscience to accompany them ..."
                >
                >
                > ________________________________
                > From: Evola <evola_as_he_is@...>
                > To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 10:52 PM
                > Subject: [evola_as_he_is] Re: Julius Evola and the greek Golden Dawn
                >
                >
                >  
                > A message by Michel Lord was deleted by mistake - we make mistakes : we are no traditionalist. It concerned Golden Dawn, which turns out to fail the test of traditionalism. From our point of view, this is not a bad indication a priori, since traditionalists, to quote one of the key authors of traditionalists, namely R. Guénon, are "people who only have a sort of tendency or aspiration toward tradition without really knowing anything at all about it." From this standpoint of ours, a racist and European one, whenever a party is dubbed as `nationalist' by the media, it is a question of whether it promotes a catagogic form or a restorative form of nationalism, willing and able "to shape
                > and organise all that corresponds in the social whole to the bodily, vital, or animal part of a human organism, and that was the domain of the two inferior classes - work, economy, political organisation in the strict sense - and to bring about an 'economic peace' which, 'depressurising' the society, will allow energies of the superior type to free themselves and to act on a higher plane"
                > (http://thompkins_cariou.tripod.com/id80.html), in short : to restore
                > `autonomia' and, above all, `autarkeia'. Do Chrysi Avgi's leaders (incidentally, an acknowledged expert on J. Evola's work mentions on his website that "the first book on the "books" section of the Golden Dawn's website is their Greek translation of Julius Evola, Essays on Tradition and the Modern World", a book that cannot be found in the list of works by the Italian author) share this view ?
                >
                > There is no way for us to know. Chrysi Avgi's political platform does not seem to have published online in any of the language we can read, - not that political programs matter. It is drowned in the usual media relentless polemical, rhetorical diarrhoea, made from a mixture of imputations of racism, of `neo-Nazism', and of anti-Semitism. The only thing certain about Chrysi Avgvi's guidelines is that they go against the extremism typical of the policy of those who have run, managed occupied Europe since 1945. Extremism means to destroy a country ethnically, spiritually, socially, economically, and financially, by flooding it with extra-European immigrants and placing it under
                > the yoke of the Stalinist-like so-called 'European Union' and, ultimately, of a stateless high finance. To expel massively extra-European immigrants, whether legal or illegal, is an absolute precondition for the survival of the country, and, for that matter, for the survival of any European country currently plagued
                > by mass immigration and by the political schemers who implement it in accordance with the aggressive globalist ideology upheld by their `unknown superiors'. It goes without saying that such measure could only be taken and implemented by a nationalist organisation of a restorative character, once in power, and it is equally clear that the coming to power of a similar organisation by democratic means is wishful thinking.
                >
                > Chrysi Avgi is confined to neighbourhood actions, which they seem to carry out efficiently. Their leaders and militants set journalists and political schemers straight. Pending possible additional information about their approach to J. Evola, that's all we can say on the subject at this time.
                >
                > --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "emmanuelparapine" <emmanuelparapine@> wrote:
                > >
                > > The Greek nationalist party "Golden Dawn" (named after a phrase contained in the Odyssey of Homer) is led by Nikolos Michaloliakos, a former member of an alleged terrorist group defending the political heritage of Ioannis Metaxas. Contrary to the various assertions of the cosmopolitan medias, the Golden Dawn logo is not a swastika, but the traditional greek meander - moreover, every member of this forum obviously know that the raised-arm salute was not coined by "nazis" but dates back to the earlier Antiquity. Although this movement is seemingly far from being hostile to Adolf Hitler, the German Reich and its Weltanschauung, Golden Dawn ideological and symbolical universe can not be reduced to that single historical experiment. Besides, it is a dynamic party which is not in a logic of folklore and parody like so many sex-shop "nazi" groups and individuals.It has become worldwide famous after the recent election of 21 Golden Dawn deputies. They also
                > gained additional media attention after several polemic statements - one denying the existence, not only of gas chambers but also of cremation ovens (that implies a certain lack of information on the revisionist thesis) and another one proposing to put anti-personnel mines accross the border with Turkey. They are also reputed for their proximity actions in favor of security, consisting in getting the streets rid of the insecurity by the means of violence and providing free bodyguarding services to elderly people who might want, for instance, to withdraw some money from their bank account.
                > >
                > > It becomes particularly interesting from our point of view when we learn that Evola seems to be one of their ideological references. We can thus read on the "traditionalistblog" of Mark Sedgwick (http://traditionalistblog.blogspot.fr/2012/05/evola-poised-to-enter-greek-parliament.html) :
                > >
                > > " the first book on the "books" section of the Golden Dawn's website is their Greek translation of Julius Evola, Essays on Tradition and the Modern World "
                > >
                > > " the influence of Evola can also be found, though not so prominently. He is, as has been said, on the book list. Condemnation of modernity and of "the modern world" appears in the archive of "ideological texts," and the penultimate (11th) point to which members commit themselves is to "honor and respect Tradition." They also accept that "nationalism is the only absolute and real revolution because it seeks the birth of new ethical, spiritual, social and psychic values." We learn that the Golden Dawn's Youth Movement "is not a simple political formation, and requires of members a particular way of life based on honor, morality and virtue."
                > >
                > > Does any member of this forum know what is their exact relationship to Evola's work ?
                > >
                >



              • evola_as_he_is
                No aspersion can be cast on the historical considerations developed at http://www.armahellas.com/?p=197# They acknowledge, among other essential things, a fact
                Message 7 of 7 , Apr 9, 2014
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                  No aspersion can be cast on the historical considerations developed at http://www.armahellas.com/?p=197#

                  They acknowledge, among other essential things, a fact which does seem to have escaped all major self-styled rightists, including those who, in France, have professed “Gaullism”, for the past 70 years, thus making their political analyses and predictions completely meaningless and more than partly figmental : “After the end of the Great War the American military forces established themselves PERMANENTLY in [Western] Europe in a semi occupational manner…” (The emphasis is ours) It is truly pathetic to hear these expatiating on post-WW2 “French policy”, “Italian politics”, “German polity”, in a Europe still occupied by the winners of WW2, with puppet administrations.

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIs0IgvcYGs illustrates this tendency.

                  Precise reservations are however to be made, from our point of view, on some of the elements indicated as consitutive of the spiritual formation of the ‘new man'’: on points of reference such as the “spiritually visionary mysticism of the Neoplatonic philosopher”, the thought of “German romanticists”, etc.

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