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Re: De Giorgio (it was: Reghini and Pythagorism)

J. Evola's views on ancient Rome are based on a kind of knowledge of the Roman
world and of the Latin language which most current European 'traditionalists',
'nationalists', 'Supremacists', 'Eurocentrists', 'Fascists', and the like, would
be well advised to gain before venturing to question them 'omnis', and, as a
result, Kerenyi's, Schelling's, Vico's, Altheim's, Piganiol's, de Coulanges',
etc. (Did you miss the bibliography in 'Revolt against the Modern World' ?),
especially when such questioning is not substantiated in any way.

The limitations of J. Evola's vision of Islam have already been discussed and
adequately accounted for at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evola_as_he_is/message/1053 Anyone able to provide
us with further insight is welcome to do so. However, do not start from scratch,
but from THERE - or from any other sound basis.

P.s. : before raising an issue, every member is kindly asked to use the 'search'
option to check whether or not it may already have been brought up. If it has,
make sure you read the related messages, before you enter into the discussion.
Some of the points or the criticisms you feel like making may have already been
addressed.





--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, Asdfasdsfdas Sfsdf <andreforcordelia@...>
wrote:
>
> Tony, what in heaven's name are you talking about? I am quoting Nietzsche
regarding the OP's question about rightist European view on Islam.....
>
> If you are willing to "resist me vigorously" for answering someone's question
than your reign would be about as enjoyable as the current one, or worse.
>
> As far as I am concerned both Nietzsche and Evola (and it goes without saying
all of the Mohammadanizing Traditionalists) were all extremely incorrect about
Islam, and this brings into question their whole view on Rome and Greece, as
well.
>
> So if you say that Nietzsche lived in a beta-male fantasy world (which he
did), what does that say about Evola who inherited his view of 'the nobility' of
Islam?
>
> And as far as I am concerned the only philosopher who "got it right" about
Juda-ism, Christianity and Islam was Schopenhauer.
>
>
> -Andrew
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Tony Ciapo <hyperborean@...>
> To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 7:00 PM
> Subject: RE: [evola_as_he_is] De Giorgio (it was: Reghini and Pythagorism)
>
>
>  
> You do understand, Mr. Sfsdf, that you are speaking ill of your blood
ancestors (or at least I presume they are).
>  
> So, if they were ignoble and chandalas, then so are you.
>  
> Christians did not arrive as aliens in a UFO. The “church” was the
creation of the Nordic-Roman interaction, as Evola has pointed out. If it fell
short of Tradition, then it is because the Germans did not understand Tradition
and the Romans had forgotten it.
>  
> The German Theodoric was already a Christian when he entered Rome. The
Visigoths could have chosen Islam in Spain … they did not. The Normans could
have chosen Islam in Sicily … they did not. They took over the Arab castles in
Salemi and Palermo and transformed them into something else; visit the chapel in
Palermo, for example. Are we to take you seriously that the Normans, who
recreated the Holy Roman Empire from that base, lacked manly instincts? It is
more likely that Nietzsche had no idea what they are. He was a scribbler, a beta
male, a “flop with chicks”; apparently he indulged in a vivid fantasy life.
What he imagines hardly resembles Londonistan or the banlieues of Paris.
>  
> Of course, the “free spirits” of Northern Europe, now that they are
completely de-Christianized, are hardly decent, no matter how they personally
feel about it. If you truly believe, Mr. Sfsdf, that the culture of the Moors is
more suitable to Germans than the cultures of Greece and Rome, you will be
resisted vigorously.
>  
>  
>  
> From:evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com [mailto:evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Asdfasdsfdas Sfsdf
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 4:55 AM
> To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [evola_as_he_is] De Giorgio (it was: Reghini and Pythagorism)
>  
>  
>  
> Christianity destroyed for us the whole harvest of ancient civilization, and
later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of Mohammedan
civilization. The wonderful culture of the Moors in Spain, which was
fundamentally nearer to us and appealed more to our senses and tastes than that
of Rome and Greece, was trampled down ("I do not say by what sort of
feet") Why? Because it had to thank noble and manly instincts for its
origin"because it said yes to life, even to the rare and refined
luxuriousness of Moorish life!… The crusaders later made war on
something before which it would have been more fitting for them to have
grovelled in the dust"a civilization beside which even that of our nineteenth
century seems very poor and very “senile.”"What they wanted, of course,
was booty: the orient was rich…. Let us put aside our prejudices! The
crusades were a higher form of piracy, nothing more! The German nobility, which
is
> fundamentally a Viking nobility, was in its element there: the church knew
only too well how the German nobility was to be won…. The German noble,
always the “Swiss guard” of the church, always in the service of every bad
instinct of the church"but well paid…. Consider the fact that it is
precisely the aid of German swords and German blood and valour that has enabled
the church to carry through its war to the death upon everything noble on
earth! At this point a host of painful questions suggest themselves. The German
nobility stands outside the history of the higher civilization: the reason is
obvious…. Christianity, alcohol"the two great means of corruption….
Intrinsically there should be no more choice between Islam and Christianity
than there is between an Arab and a Jew. The decision is already reached;
nobody remains at liberty to choose here. Either a man is a Chandala or he is
not…. “War to the knife with Rome!
> Peace and friendship with Islam!”: this was the feeling, this was the act,
of that great free spirit, that genius among German emperors, Frederick II.
What! must a German first be a genius, a free spirit, before he can feel
decently? I can’t make out how a German could ever feel Christian….
>  
>
                                        \
                                        \
                                        \
                 -Nietzsche
>
>
>
> But it is true that the majority of self-described 'right-wing' parties in
Europe grovel and lick Jew boots, maybe with the exception of the Hungarians who
are the only self-respecting Europeans left if political parties are any
indication  (and that can definitely be disputed).
>




Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:20 pm

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It's a very interesting book of 323 pages, a bit visionary and probably more close to Guenon than to Evola. Anyway my English has rusted by now for...
vandermok
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Feb 25, 2012
11:49 am

We stopped reading the book before getting to that passage, which can be translated as follows : "Knowledge prevails in priests, whereas love prevails in...
Evola
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Feb 25, 2012
1:01 pm

If anyone is listening with the ability, Reghini and De Giorgio would both make excellent reading material for the intellect-starved desert of the Anglosphere...
Asdfasdsfdas Sfsdf
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Feb 25, 2012
10:05 pm

There's a text on Pythagorism by J.J. Bachofen to be found in 'Der Mythos von Orient und Okzident' (A. Baumler). From the table of contents : *Rückkehr des...
G. van der Heide
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Apr 9, 2012
12:25 pm

Reghini and De Giorgio have different visions of Romanity, which understood as the underlying Tradition of the West beyond its various guises. (A useful study...
Tony Ciapo
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Apr 9, 2012
2:01 pm

Hardly a response that considers Anglos capable of discernment. Considering the way Evola has been received in the US and Britain, you may be right - feed 'em...
Asdfasdsfdas Sfsdf
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Apr 9, 2012
8:24 pm

I don’t necessarily mean they are incapable of discernment, rather there are historically-rooted differences in what constitutes the “right wing”. In the...
Tony Ciapo
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Apr 14, 2012
7:03 pm

Tony, Very good summary. Thank you. Could you also discuss the approach to Islam between the different groups? I am sometimes surprised by the continental ...
Joel Dietz
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Apr 15, 2012
2:05 pm

Joel, it can be traced to Nietzsche. ________________________________ From: Joel Dietz <jdietz@...> To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday,...
Asdfasdsfdas Sfsdf
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Apr 15, 2012
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Except nominally, there is no such thing as the 'Right' any longer. This was ascertained by J. Evola himself in the 1960's. This can still be ascertained...
Evola
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Apr 15, 2012
6:24 pm

Joel, Thanks for your rather misplaced confidence in me. I know nothing specific about any contemporary groups. In general, American attitudes toward Muslims...
Tony Ciapo
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Apr 16, 2012
10:05 am

Tony, I suspect the contemporary attitude towards Muslims may also be one of misplaced hope. The subjection of the continental right and the generally ...
Joel Dietz
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Apr 16, 2012
11:26 am

A strange comment to make, given the start of the Brevik trial today. What “hope” does he express, or do you really believe his case is isolated? As for...
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Apr 16, 2012
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Christianity destroyed for us the whole harvest of ancient civilization, and later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of Mohammedan civilization. The...
Asdfasdsfdas Sfsdf
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Apr 16, 2012
11:26 am

You do understand, Mr. Sfsdf, that you are speaking ill of your blood ancestors (or at least I presume they are). So, if they were ignoble and chandalas, then...
Tony Ciapo
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Apr 16, 2012
8:17 pm

Tony, what in heaven's name are you talking about? I am quoting Nietzsche regarding the OP's question about rightist European view on Islam..... If you are...
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Apr 17, 2012
11:52 am

J. Evola's views on ancient Rome are based on a kind of knowledge of the Roman world and of the Latin language which most current European 'traditionalists',...
Evola
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Apr 17, 2012
2:41 pm

I think we all intuitively know that Guenon was basically the major formation of his Islamic ideas. Anything critical of the Muslim worldview would have been a...
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Apr 17, 2012
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We are all looking forward to your extensive study of "the water symbolism of the Christ cult". We could not agree more that "His view of Christianity as...
Evola
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Apr 17, 2012
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He didn't associate the ass-symbol of Set with Christ and Christian decline? ________________________________ From: Evola <evola_as_he_is@...> To:...
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Apr 18, 2012
9:56 am

He did, in 'Revolt' (p. 284-85), without however linking it up to a so-called "decline of Christianity", far from it : it represented "the secret sign of a...
Evola
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Apr 18, 2012
10:55 am

Not "decline of Christianity" but Christianity as decline, or from the same chapter, opening paragraph: The advent of Christianity marked the beginning of an...
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Apr 18, 2012
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The very presence of books by J. Evola on the problem of race in the English language, irrespective of how they are received and of how many people actually...
Evola
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Apr 14, 2012
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"In the midst of the Hellenic world Pythagoras restored religion and life to the old [non Aryan] foundations, he attempted to give a new consecration to...
Evola
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Apr 9, 2012
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Thank you, that was intellectual forensics if there ever was. ________________________________ From: Evola <evola_as_he_is@...> To:...
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Apr 9, 2012
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About the ass, the problem is Romans did not distinguish between Christians and Hebrews, considering both similar superstitious sects. The god Set could point...
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Apr 18, 2012
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