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  • Re: Vedr. [evola_as_he_is] Evola and 'Aryan Christianity'

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  • tlefranc10
    Jul 28
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    This thread is very informative on Salomon's post 1945 activities.

    From my reading of a few of Jünger and Salomon's early writings, I would say that they were soldiers – certainly brave and tough – but not political soldiers, in the sense that they lacked an up-to-date worldview; besides their rather bourgeois family background, this is perhaps due to their education and early experiences, which were strictly of a military nature, unlike those of Hitler, who had the opportunity to live a number of different and rewarding experiences, of which he benefited a lot thanks to his developed sensitivity and intelligence. In short, and I do not meant it as an insult, they were more taught to obey and fight than think. This tends to indicate that a warrior caste can be misguided if it does not have a relevant ideology.

    What Jünger and Salomon supported, that is nineteenth century patriotism/nationalism/"prussianism", was simply outdated as it failed to recognize the importance of race and the fact that growing threats such as communism and secret societies were the products of an alien spirit.

    Their post-war critique of the national-socialist regime does not bear much value because they failed to understand that any regime presenting traditional characteristics would have been destroyed in one way or another, through a long-term subversion or a revolution or a war. Germany today could still have a Kaiser but he would be as much relevant as the current British royal family is.

    --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "evola_as_he_is" <evola_as_he_is@...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > Do we "really" think that the sun shines and the moon reflects the
    > light of the sun, that fire is hot and that water is wet, that,
    > during a storm, if you open all the windows of your house, it will be
    > flooded with rain and that, intead, if you close all the windows, it
    > won't be flooded?
    >
    > In the work of Evola, who was rich in great deeds on the outer plane
    > as well as on the inner plane and who was familiar with Roman history
    > in a non scholarly manner, thousands of lines deal with the
    > description and the definition of the typical features of the Roman
    > Patrician character : conciseness was one of them, as recalled, for
    > instance, in 'Heidnischer Imperialismus', a work which, as
    > acknowledged by himself, was (meant to be) polemical. He would have
    > certainly be interested in knowing that it was a "nice" book.
    >
    > What you say about those big-mouthed "racial fanatics" serving in the
    > Wehrmacht only confirms what a few perspicacious people have
    > noticed : the Wehrmacht, from staff officers down to privates, was an
    > army modelled to a large extent on the democratic standards of the
    > Republic of Weimar when the Nationalist-Socialists inherited it in
    > 1933, and 5 years were not enough to change its mentality, especially
    > since the National-Socialist leadership didn't cleanse it from its
    > unworthy elements in due time ; Hitler's deep reverence for that
    > military institution which represented for him the essence and the
    > legitimacy of the German State is well-known. As for German SS-men,
    > their character and their training, which included a racial
    > education, were far more fit to the tasks which National-Socialist
    > leadership intended to carry out. They didn't have a reputation for
    > being cowards and chatterboxes.
    >
    > Now, the reference you make to Ernst von Solomon allows us to clarify
    > a point which should already be clear in the mind of post-war
    > Fascists and National-Socialists who claim to adhere to the ideas of
    > the 'Konservative Revolution' as a whole : to claim to adhere to the
    > ideas of the 'Konservative Revolution' as a whole is, at best, a
    > contradiction in terms and, at worse, a mere pose of young fanatics
    > filled with contradictions, with the same contradictions which exist
    > between the world-view of Ernst Jünger and that of Othmar Spann,
    > between the 'Weltanschauung' of Moeller van den Bruck and that of ...
    > what's his name again... he had, as did many 'conservative
    > revolutionaries', marked Bolshevik sympathies and, after WW2, he
    > worked zealously for the East German secret service... his name is on
    > the tip of our tongue - and so on. To a large extent, the
    > expression 'Konservative Revolution' is a hotchpotch, concocted in
    > the aftermath of the WW II by a young German student, Armin Mohler,
    > in a work published in 1950 under the title 'Die Konservative
    > Revolution in Deutschland 1918-1932'. It is a catalogue of the main
    > currents and hundreds of writers, philosophers, thinkers, poets who
    > made up the groundswell of anti-democratic thought during the Weimar
    > Republic and whom he presented collectively as constituting 'The
    > Conservative Revolution'. The only common denominator between that
    > myriad of disparate writers was their anti-Weimar, anti-democratic,
    > anti-Enlightenment orientation as well as the feeling of living in a
    > transitional period between the old dying Christian European order
    > and a new order, and the will to overcome that 'interregnum', to
    > bring about the rebirth of the West (as Ernst Jünger once said (was
    > this humour?) : "We stand at the turning point of two eras, one of
    > the same order of significance as the change from the stone-age to
    > the bronze-age"). Evola used the term 'Conservative Revolution', and
    > yet with caution ; contrary to many nostalgic extreme-right
    > intellectuals trapped in an interminable post-war era, he didn't need
    > Mohler's syncretic mythic project to reassert the values of European
    > traditional civilisation
    >
    > In any case, the figures of the so-called 'Konservative Revolution'
    > he had affinities with were Othmar Spann, Wilhelm Stapel, A.E.
    > Günther, E. Jünger and Edgar J. Jung.
    >
    > Religious tolerance existed in the Third Reich, anyone was free to be
    > either a practising Protestant or a practising Catholic. You were
    > also free to make yourself ridiculous in public by jumping
    > cyclothymically from one confession to the other according to your
    > fancy.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, Widar Wulfarson
    > <widar_harigastiz@> wrote:
    > >
    > > Swasti!
    > >
    > > Wasn't it Evola's motto "poor in words, rich in great
    > > deeds" or simpy "Mehr Sein als Scheinen?"
    > > Belicose polemics are nice but rather
    > > contra-productive.
    > > It is simply modern and democratic to judge people
    > > accordind to their words, the traditional way is to
    > > judge them according to their deeds or, better,
    > > according to their being.
    > > My grandfather who served in the Wehrmacht could only
    > > affirm this: the biggest loud-mouths and excessive
    > > racial fanatics always stayed behind the lines, when
    > > it came to a battle.
    > > The German conservative revolutionaries in early 20th
    > > accepted every confession. Ernst von Salomon went to
    > > catholic and protestant masses, celebrated heathen
    > > rituals and also wanted - but was not allowed - to
    > > visit a synagogue (--> Die Geaechteten).
    > > The distinction lines of the modern time are
    > > hindrances, not pillars as the borders of the
    > > traditional societies.
    > >
    > > And a question to evola_as_he_is:
    > >
    > > Do you really think that female teachers turn young
    > > boys into young girl in contemporary European schools?
    > > There are neither boys nor girls, but only emencipated
    > > and equal human beings. Everything else could be a
    > > severe discrimination in modern European schools.
    > >
    > > (...)
    > > > In a European State worth of the name, any mother
    > > > would be allowed to
    > > > go to church with her young son every Sunday,
    > > > whether to a Catholic
    > > > Church, to a Protestant church or to an Orthodox
    > > > church, if it
    > > > pleased her. What she would be absolutely prevented
    > > > from doing, by
    > > > precise legal measures, would be to become, for
    > > > instance, a teacher
    > > > and, therefore, to try hard, with all the energies
    > > > of resentment and
    > > > of hatred, to turn young boys into young girls ...
    > >
    >
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