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What about a superior individualism? That's precisely what Evola's
work is all about : superior individualism is another word for
personality.



--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "darkiexx" <tristanarpe@h...>
wrote:
>
>
> If your hair is really yellow.. Say it loud and proud…Or get it
> darkened..
>
> Curiously, the so called metaphysics of subjectivity, has been
> equated with technology and the individualist call for human
rights.
>
> With out sounding like one of those Po-Mo imbeciles, I can refer to
> M. Heidegger's The Question Concerning Technology (1977), he
writes:
> the world is transformed into picture and man into subiectum-throws
> light at the same time on the grounding of modern history, an event
> at first glance seems almost absurd. Namely, the more extensively
> and the more effectually the world stands at man's disposal as
> conquered, and the more objectively the object appears, all the
more
> subjectively, i.e., the more importunately, does the subiectum rise
> up, and all the more impetuously, too, do observation of and
> teaching about the world change into a doctrine of man, into
> anthropology (p.133).
>
> Heidegger then further discusses this idea of anthropology as a
> moral humanism. An impossibility during the great age of the Greeks
> as it would have been to even of had a world picture. The world
> picture today subsequently equates with humanism. Ironically, this
> may tie in with the other thread about charity and feminism.
>
> Nevertheless, and this is a shot in the dark, but what about a
> different superior individualism; one that reaches it own optimal
> point to become its own absolute transcendence…
>
> Is not total mobilisation a redundant point, considering your enemy
> lives next door, not on some romantic's battlefield.
>
> ================================================
> Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
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> Main Entry: importunate
> 1 : troublesomely urgent : overly persistent in request or demand
> 2 : TROUBLESOME
> - im·por·tu·nate·ly adverb
> - im·por·tu·nate·ness noun
> ============================================
> Main Entry: impetuous
> Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French impetueux, from Late
> Latin impetuosus, from Latin impetus
> 1 : marked by impulsive vehemence or passion <an impetuous
> temperament>
> 2 : marked by force and violence of movement or action <an
impetuous
> wind>
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> --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "zenon_noir" <slugg3r@h...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I am sure that 'darkiexx' will excuse your impurity, as he will
> mine
> > not only for the eyes, but for the double-sin of having yellow
> hair:
> > yellow which, after all, is the color of urine and of the asian
> > invader!
> >
> > The question in my initial post concerns the political aspect of a
> > military engagement, which cannot be ignored. "Se sacrifier, pour
> > l'homme, est un bonheur: et l'art suprême du commandement
consiste
> à
> > lui désigner des buts dignes de ce sacrifice (p.108)." Can we
today
> > still speak of political objectives worth any sacrifice? I doubt
> > it. The first question can thus be reforumlated: can the
sacrifice
> in
> > case of a "total mobilization" be carried out as an end in itself?
> >
> > While the sacrificial death can no longer today be made in the
> name of
> > the State or the Imperium, it can, I am inclined to think, for
the
> new
> > type of man, be carried out as an end in itself. It must be
> recalled
> > that for 'the worker', all of existence must be sacrificed: it is
> not,
> > however, the romantic 'mors triumphalis' that is meant by
sacrifice
> > here, but the sacrifice of one's petty individuality for absolute
> > impersonality:
> >
> > "C'est à ce type qu'appartient l'impersonnalité. Il n'est pas
> > irremplaçable: chaque tué peut être immédiatement remplacé par un
> > autre "travailleur", dans l'esprit d'une même tradition ou d'une
> même
> > fonction (pp.190-196). De même que l'individu disparaît, ainsi la
> > masse comme pure quantité disparaît - on va au contraire vers de
> > nouvelles formations organiques, et même qualitatives."
> >
> > "Le monde du "travail" engage tout l'être, toute la vie. Et il
> aime,
> > il veut cet engagement total, jusqu'au bout, jusqu'à la
> destruction."
> >
> > Thus, the 'furor belli' you referred to is activated as an end in
> > itself. One must seek out the elementary and dominate it ("ride
the
> > tiger"):
> >
> > "Il en résulte la nécessité d'un nouvel ordre, d'un ordre fondé,
> non
> > pas sur l'exclusion du danger, mais sur une nouvelle union de la
> vie
> > et du danger. Pour l'individu, le nouveau monde du "travailleur"
> > signifiera, non pas une diminution, mais une augmentation du
> travail:
> > mais il disposera de forces nouvelles pour maîtriser ces nouveaux
> > fardeaux (p.91)."
> >
> > As you recalled me saying, there is really one way of getting a
> true
> > answer to my inquiry, and that is by trying and seeing for
> oneself. I
> > must admit, though, that I was hoping I would get more insights
> into
> > the matter before I try and see if being turned into fragments on
> the
> > battefield is an effective method for transcendence...
> >
> >
> > --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "vandermok"
> <vandermok@l...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hoping that 'darkiexx' do not be shocked at the fact my eyes
are
> not
> > 'ice blue' but only green/grey, I confirm that the warrior
> > civilisation of the ancient Rome had nothing to do with
the 'Papist
> > Latin'.
> > >
> > > Today the 'war of machines' can teach mostly the sense of
> discipline
> > and hierarchy but hardly could involve the sacred 'furor belli'
> (war
> > fury). The 'furor' drove some warrior till to sacrifice himself
to
> the
> > underworld's gods for achieving the collective victory (see for
> > instance the episode of the consul Decius in Titus Livy, Historiae
> > VIII, 9,1).
> > > Evola wrote about, but on the light of the alchemical process,
> here
> > and there in 'La Tradizione Ermetica'.
> > > Anyway, the 'furor' of the warrior, after the victory, was
> ritually
> > 'closed' into the temple of Janus (Mars, Hercules, Quirinus and
> Janus
> > being hypostasis of the same 'force') to avoid every backstroke
to
> the
> > fatherland, because after the possibility of a 'mors triumphalis'
> > (triumphal death) during the battle, there was also a
> temporary 'pax
> > triumphalis' (triumphal peace).
> > >
> > > Since the only existing god or force is the one we can
experience
> > inside, it seems to me not being indiscreet to remember you (H.
F.)
> > already answered in part by yourself the interrogative on the
Army
> and
> > the today's approach to the 'war of machines' when time ago you
> said
> > me personally: "I might have to try and see for myself".
> > >
> > >
> > > In <evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com>
> > > frederick_of_hohenstaufen <slugg3r@h...>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > In 'Le Chemin du Cinabre', Evola writes:
> > >
> > > "Dans la guerre moderne se déchaîne l'élémentaire (le terme est
à
> > > prendre comme lorsqu'on parle des forces élémentaires de la
> nature),
> > > l'élémentaire lié au matériel c'est-à-dire à un ensemble de
> moyens
> > > techniques d'une extrême puissance destructrice (les "batailles
> de
> > > matériel"). C'est comme une force non-humaine éveillé et mise en
> > > muovement par l'homme, à laquelle l'individu-soldar ne peut
> échapper:
> > > il doit se mesurer à elle, il doit devenir l'instrument de la
> > > mécanique et lui tenuir tête en même temps: spirituellement, et
> non
> > > pas seulement physiquement. Cela n'est possible que si l'on se
> forge
> > > soi-même en tant que type humain nouveau qui, précisément au
> milieu de
> > > situations destructices pour tout autre, sache saisir un sens
> absolu
> > > de la vie." (p.191)
> > >
> > > The same analysis can be found in "Le "Travailleur" et les
> falaises de
> > > marbre" at http://thompkins_cariou.tripod.com/id59.html.
English-
> only
> > > speakers can refer to Jünger's 'The Worker' ('Der Arbeiter').
> Briefly,
> > > the main idea from the quotation above is that the destructive,
> > > elementary discharges of modern war may be used for the man
with
> the
> > > right spiritual qualification for a transcendent -- or mehr-als-
> leben,
> > > to use an expression Evola borrowed from Simmel -- experience.
> > >
> > > Those considerations become truer as the years go by and as
every
> > > aspect of existence increasingly depend on technology and
> > > mechanization, to the extent that today, in the field of war,
we
> may
> > > objectively and non-figuratively speak of a "war of machines."
> > >
> > > Considering the above, the following questions might not be out
> of
> > > place: is the military today still a legitimate direction for
> the man
> > > seeking an opening to transcendence, and if so, to what extent?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> >
>









Wed Jan 4, 2006 1:33 pm

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In 'Le Chemin du Cinabre', Evola writes: "Dans la guerre moderne se déchaîne l'élémentaire (le terme est à prendre comme lorsqu'on parle des forces...
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Jan 1, 2006
6:58 pm

Since both 'Il cammino del cinabro' and 'Le chemin du cinabre' are no longer available, and it has not been published in English yet, this is how that excerpt...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jan 1, 2006
11:46 pm

Hoping that 'darkiexx' do not be shocked at the fact my eyes are not 'ice blue' but only green/grey, I confirm that the warrior civilisation of the ancient...
vandermok
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Jan 2, 2006
1:39 pm

Vandermok: Hoping that 'darkiexx' do not be shocked at the fact my eyes are not 'ice blue' but only green/grey. Snap!! Sir, I also have green eyes and grey...
darkiexx Offline Send Email Jan 2, 2006
5:35 pm

I am sure that 'darkiexx' will excuse your impurity, as he will mine not only for the eyes, but for the double-sin of having yellow hair: yellow which, after...
zenon_noir Offline Send Email Jan 2, 2006
6:00 pm

If your hair is really yellow.. Say it loud and proud…Or get it darkened.. Curiously, the so called metaphysics of subjectivity, has been equated with...
darkiexx Offline Send Email Jan 3, 2006
9:44 am

What about a superior individualism? That's precisely what Evola's work is all about : superior individualism is another word for personality. ... rights. ... ...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jan 4, 2006
1:38 pm

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