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Re: De Giorgio (it was: Reghini and Pythagorism)   Topic List   < Prev Topic  |  Next Topic >
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Re: De Giorgio (it was: Reghini and Pythagorism)

We stopped reading the book before getting to that passage, which can be
translated as follows : "Knowledge prevails in priests, whereas love prevails in
warriors, since all their strength consists in some kind of insatiable offering
which is appeased only by death... The one who is not able to kill oneself will
never be able to kill or, to be more precise, will profane both life and death
by killing, since his cause is not sacred."

--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "vandermok" <vandermok@...> wrote:
>
> It's a very interesting book of 323 pages, a bit visionary and probably more
close to Guenon than to Evola. Anyway my English has rusted by now for
translating (apart from the laziness). Fortunately we have a polyglot owner...
> An example:
>
> "Mentre nei Sacerdoti domina la conoscenza, nei Guerrieri domina l'amore,
perche tutta la loro forza e una specie di offerta in un inappagamento continuo
che si placa solo con la morte... (...)
> Chi non sa uccidere se stesso, non sapra  mai uccidere o, per meglio dire,
uccidendo egli profanera la vita e la morte perche la sua causa non e sacra..."
> -----------
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Asdfasdsfdas Sfsdf
> To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [evola_as_he_is] Re: Reghini and Pythagorism
>
>
>
>
> I am someone jealous of those with fluency in Italian at this moment, did
anyone get a chance to read Guido de Giorgio's La Tradizione Romana?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Evola <evola_as_he_is@...>
> To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 3:17 PM
> Subject: [evola_as_he_is] Re: Reghini and Pythagorism
>
>
>
>
> "In Greece Pythagoreanism represented in many ways a return of the Pelasgic
spirit. Despite its astral and solar symbols (including a Hyperborean trace),
the Pythagorean doctrine was essentially characterized by the Demetrian and
pantheistic theme. After all, the lunar spirit of the Chaldean or Mayan priestly
science was reflected in its view of the world in terms of numbers and of
harmony ; the dark, pessimistic, and fatalistic motif of tellurism was retained
in the Pythagorean notion of birth on this earth as a punishment and as a
sentence, and also in the teaching concerning reincarnation, which I have
previously described as a symptom of spiritual disease. The soull that
repeatedly reincarnates is the sould subjected to the chthonic law. The doctrine
of reincarnation exemplifies the emphasis Pythagoreanism and Orphism gave to the
principle that is tellurically subjected to rebirth, as well as the truth proper
to the civilization of the Mother. Pythagoras's nostalgia for ideas of a
Demetrian type (after his death his home became a sanctuary for the goddess
Demeter)
> including the dignity that women enjoyed in Pythagorean sects where they
presided over initiations and where the ritual cremation of the dead was
forbidden, as well as the sect's horror of blood - are features that can easily
be explained on this basis. In this kind of context even the escape from the
"cycle of rebirths" has a dubious character (it is significant that in Orphism
the dwelling of the blessed is not above, as in the Achaean symbol of the
Elysian Fields, but rather under the earth, in the company of infernal gods), in
comparison to the ideal of immortality that was proper of "Zeus's path" ; at the
end of this path there was a heavenly region or a Uranian world dominated by the
"spiritual virility of the light" and inhabited by "those who are," namely,
beings who are detached and inacessible in their perfection and purity."
>
> --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "vandermok" <vandermok@> wrote:
> >
> > The reference is to this rather difficult sect. in Revolt:
> >
> > Il pitagorismo in Grecia significò, sotto vari aspetti, un ritorno dello
spirito pelasgico. Malgrado i suoi simboli astrali e solari (e perfino una
traccia iperborea) la dottrina pitagorica è essenzialemnte improntata dal tema
demetrico e pantetistico. In fondo, lo spirito lunaare della scienza sacerdotale
caldea o maya si riflette nella sua visione del mondo come numero e armonia;
l'oscuro motivo pessimistico e fatalistico del tellurismo si conserva nel
concetto pitagorico della rinascita in terra come punizione e persino nello
stesso insegnamento relativo alla reincarnazione. Circa quest'ultimo, si sa giĂ 
di cosa esso sia sintomo. L'anima che ricorrentemente si incarna, non è che
l'anima soggiacente alla legge ctonia. Il pitagorismo, e lo stesso orfismo,
insegnando la reincarnazione, mostrano il risalto che la loro concezione dĂ  al
principio telluricamenbte soggetto alla rinascita, epperò alla verità propia
della civiltà della Madre. La nostalgia di Pitagora è per le dee del tipo
demetrico (dopo la sua morte l'abitazione di Pitagora divenne un santuario di
Demetra), la dignitĂ  che le donne avevano nelle sette pitagoriche ove esse
figuravano perfino come iniziatrici e dove sisgnificativamente l'arsione rituale
funeraria era proibita e si aveva un orrore pel sangue, sono, su tale base,
aspetti assai comprensibili. In un quadro di tal genere la stessa uscita dal
ciclo delle rinascite non può rivestire un carattre sospetto (nell'orfismo è
significativo che il soggiorno dei beati non sia sopra la terra, come nel
simbolo acheo dei Campi Elisi, ma sotto terra, in compagnia con gli altri dei
inferi) in opposto all'ideale di immortalitĂ  proprio alla via di Zeus e
riferito alla regione di 'coloro che sono', staccati, inaccessibili nella loro
perfezione e puritĂ  come le nature fisse del mondo uranio, della regione
celeste dove domina la virilitĂ  incorporea della luce in essenze stellari
plurime, prive di promiscuità, distinte a sé stesse."
> >
> > Moreover, there is to consider the difference between the Pythagorean
reincarnation and the transmigration in Buddhism and Vedanta.
> > ------
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Asdfasdsfdas Sfsdf
> > To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:04 AM
> > Subject: [evola_as_he_is] Reghini and Pythagorism
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have any insight into Evola's rejection of Pythagorism?
> >
> >
> > He aludes in Rivolta and Camino that there are southern, telluric ways in
this path and that Reghini was trying to revive a type of Pythagorism.
> >
> >
> > Be that as it may, I do not understand the outright dismissal of this
tradition. Just a few tidbits:
> >
> >
> > 1. Geometrically and conceptually the foundation of all Hermeticism and
alchemical symbolism (at least as far back as can be traced, with perhaps the
exception of Egypt).
> >
> >
> > 2. Esoteric, initiatory and aristocratic. The burning of its libraries
came about from plebs who were rejected by the group. Many ascetic practices
similar to early Buddhism.
> >
> >
> >
> > 3. Utterly entwined with tripartite doctrines which led to much Platonic
doctrine such as tripartite caste system, tripartite metaphysiology, etc., etc.
Metempsychosis, wheel of life, etc., etc.
> >
>




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It's a very interesting book of 323 pages, a bit visionary and probably more close to Guenon than to Evola. Anyway my English has rusted by now for...
vandermok
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Feb 25, 2012
11:49 am

We stopped reading the book before getting to that passage, which can be translated as follows : "Knowledge prevails in priests, whereas love prevails in...
Evola
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Feb 25, 2012
1:01 pm

If anyone is listening with the ability, Reghini and De Giorgio would both make excellent reading material for the intellect-starved desert of the Anglosphere...
Asdfasdsfdas Sfsdf
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Feb 25, 2012
10:05 pm

There's a text on Pythagorism by J.J. Bachofen to be found in 'Der Mythos von Orient und Okzident' (A. Baumler). From the table of contents : *RĂĽckkehr des...
G. van der Heide
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Apr 9, 2012
12:25 pm

Reghini and De Giorgio have different visions of Romanity, which understood as the underlying Tradition of the West beyond its various guises. (A useful study...
Tony Ciapo
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Apr 9, 2012
2:01 pm

Hardly a response that considers Anglos capable of discernment. Considering the way Evola has been received in the US and Britain, you may be right - feed 'em...
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Apr 9, 2012
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I don’t necessarily mean they are incapable of discernment, rather there are historically-rooted differences in what constitutes the “right wing”. In the...
Tony Ciapo
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Apr 14, 2012
7:03 pm

Tony, Very good summary. Thank you. Could you also discuss the approach to Islam between the different groups? I am sometimes surprised by the continental ...
Joel Dietz
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Apr 15, 2012
2:05 pm

Joel, it can be traced to Nietzsche. ________________________________ From: Joel Dietz <jdietz@...> To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday,...
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Apr 15, 2012
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Except nominally, there is no such thing as the 'Right' any longer. This was ascertained by J. Evola himself in the 1960's. This can still be ascertained...
Evola
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Apr 15, 2012
6:24 pm

Joel, Thanks for your rather misplaced confidence in me. I know nothing specific about any contemporary groups. In general, American attitudes toward Muslims...
Tony Ciapo
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Apr 16, 2012
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Tony, I suspect the contemporary attitude towards Muslims may also be one of misplaced hope. The subjection of the continental right and the generally ...
Joel Dietz
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Apr 16, 2012
11:26 am

A strange comment to make, given the start of the Brevik trial today. What “hope” does he express, or do you really believe his case is isolated? As for...
Tony Ciapo
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Apr 16, 2012
8:18 pm

Christianity destroyed for us the whole harvest of ancient civilization, and later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of Mohammedan civilization. The...
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Apr 16, 2012
11:26 am

You do understand, Mr. Sfsdf, that you are speaking ill of your blood ancestors (or at least I presume they are). So, if they were ignoble and chandalas, then...
Tony Ciapo
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Apr 16, 2012
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Tony, what in heaven's name are you talking about? I am quoting Nietzsche regarding the OP's question about rightist European view on Islam..... If you are...
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Apr 17, 2012
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J. Evola's views on ancient Rome are based on a kind of knowledge of the Roman world and of the Latin language which most current European 'traditionalists',...
Evola
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Apr 17, 2012
2:41 pm

I think we all intuitively know that Guenon was basically the major formation of his Islamic ideas. Anything critical of the Muslim worldview would have been a...
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Apr 17, 2012
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We are all looking forward to your extensive study of "the water symbolism of the Christ cult". We could not agree more that "His view of Christianity as...
Evola
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Apr 17, 2012
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He didn't associate the ass-symbol of Set with Christ and Christian decline? ________________________________ From: Evola <evola_as_he_is@...> To:...
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Apr 18, 2012
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He did, in 'Revolt' (p. 284-85), without however linking it up to a so-called "decline of Christianity", far from it : it represented "the secret sign of a...
Evola
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Apr 18, 2012
10:55 am

Not "decline of Christianity" but Christianity as decline, or from the same chapter, opening paragraph: The advent of Christianity marked the beginning of an...
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Apr 18, 2012
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The very presence of books by J. Evola on the problem of race in the English language, irrespective of how they are received and of how many people actually...
Evola
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Apr 14, 2012
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"In the midst of the Hellenic world Pythagoras restored religion and life to the old [non Aryan] foundations, he attempted to give a new consecration to...
Evola
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Apr 9, 2012
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Thank you, that was intellectual forensics if there ever was. ________________________________ From: Evola <evola_as_he_is@...> To:...
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Apr 9, 2012
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About the ass, the problem is Romans did not distinguish between Christians and Hebrews, considering both similar superstitious sects. The god Set could point...
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Apr 18, 2012
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