We are all looking forward to your extensive study of "the water symbolism of
the Christ cult".
We could not agree more that "His view of Christianity as purely a destructive
force and connected to the demon Set is a far leap though, in my opinion", since
what was regarded by him "as purely a destructive force and connected to the
demon Set" is Judaism, at least by our copy of 'Three Aspects of the Jewish
Problem'.
'German Exploration of the Polar World : A History, 1870-1940' is available in
part at :
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--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, Asdfasdsfdas Sfsdf
<andreforcordelia@...> wrote:
>
> I think we all intuitively know that Guenon was basically the major formation
of his Islamic ideas. Anything critical of the Muslim worldview would have been
a complete excommunication from the Traditionalist camp (and he is already
marginalized by them).
>
>
> His view of Christianity as purely a destructive force and connected to the
demon Set is a far leap though, in my opinion. Sure, there is the donkey, but we
could also look at the water symbolism of the Christ cult.
>
>
> The water symbolism of Christianity is purely a borrowed invention; there is
no Judaistic source that would suggest a continution of the water cult, but we
can see this in the cultural paths that overwhelmed the closed society of Judea
at the cross roads of Greece and India.
>
> Therefore the baptism in water, 'everlasting waters,' the negative view of
fire (hell is fire), walking on water, etc, could be seen as a continuation of
Greek thought (Thales - all is water), or even Buddhistic symbolism (stream
entry, the lotus rising from water, etc).
>
>
> That Evola and Guenon were so blinded by Islam says more about the
Orientalizing of the times than anything else. Hitler had Islamic units in the
Waffen SS, and several NS parties were dispatched to Tibet to find an Aryan
homeland, not to the Arctic.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Evola <evola_as_he_is@...>
> To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:20 PM
> Subject: [evola_as_he_is] Re: De Giorgio (it was: Reghini and Pythagorism)
>
>
>
> J. Evola's views on ancient Rome are based on a kind of knowledge of the Roman
world and of the Latin language which most current European 'traditionalists',
'nationalists', 'Supremacists', 'Eurocentrists', 'Fascists', and the like, would
be well advised to gain before venturing to question them 'omnis', and, as a
result, Kerenyi's, Schelling's, Vico's, Altheim's, Piganiol's, de Coulanges',
etc. (Did you miss the bibliography in 'Revolt against the Modern World' ?),
especially when such questioning is not substantiated in any way.
>
> The limitations of J. Evola's vision of Islam have already been discussed and
adequately accounted for at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evola_as_he_is/message/1053 Anyone able to
provide us with further insight is welcome to do so. However, do not start from
scratch, but from THERE - or from any other sound basis.
>
> P.s. : before raising an issue, every member is kindly asked to use the
'search' option to check whether or not it may already have been brought up. If
it has, make sure you read the related messages, before you enter into the
discussion. Some of the points or the criticisms you feel like making may have
already been addressed.
>
> --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, Asdfasdsfdas Sfsdf <andreforcordelia@>
wrote:
> >
> > Tony, what in heaven's name are you talking about? I am quoting Nietzsche
regarding the OP's question about rightist European view on Islam.....
> >
> > If you are willing to "resist me vigorously" for answering someone's
question than your reign would be about as enjoyable as the current one, or
worse.
> >
> > As far as I am concerned both Nietzsche and Evola (and it goes without
saying all of the Mohammadanizing Traditionalists) were all extremely incorrect
about Islam, and this brings into question their whole view on Rome and Greece,
as well.
> >
> > So if you say that Nietzsche lived in a beta-male fantasy world (which he
did), what does that say about Evola who inherited his view of 'the nobility' of
Islam?
> >
> > And as far as I am concerned the only philosopher who "got it right" about
Juda-ism, Christianity and Islam was Schopenhauer.
> >
> >
> > -Andrew
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Tony Ciapo <hyperborean@>
> > To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 7:00 PM
> > Subject: RE: [evola_as_he_is] De Giorgio (it was: Reghini and Pythagorism)
> >
> >
> > Â
> > You do understand, Mr. Sfsdf, that you are speaking ill of your blood
ancestors (or at least I presume they are).
> > Â
> > So, if they were ignoble and chandalas, then so are you.
> > Â
> > Christians did not arrive as aliens in a UFO. The â€"churchâ€� was
the creation of the Nordic-Roman interaction, as Evola has pointed out. If it
fell short of Tradition, then it is because the Germans did not understand
Tradition and the Romans had forgotten it.
> > Â
> > The German Theodoric was already a Christian when he entered Rome. The
Visigoths could have chosen Islam in Spain … they did not. The Normans
could have chosen Islam in Sicily … they did not. They took over the Arab
castles in Salemi and Palermo and transformed them into something else; visit
the chapel in Palermo, for example. Are we to take you seriously that the
Normans, who recreated the Holy Roman Empire from that base, lacked manly
instincts? It is more likely that Nietzsche had no idea what they are. He was a
scribbler, a beta male, a â€"flop with chicksâ€�; apparently he
indulged in a vivid fantasy life. What he imagines hardly resembles Londonistan
or the banlieues of Paris.
> > Â
> > Of course, the â€"free spiritsâ€� of Northern Europe, now that they
are completely de-Christianized, are hardly decent, no matter how they
personally feel about it. If you truly believe, Mr. Sfsdf, that the culture of
the Moors is more suitable to Germans than the cultures of Greece and Rome, you
will be resisted vigorously.
> > Â
> > Â
> > Â
> > From:evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com [mailto:evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Asdfasdsfdas Sfsdf
> > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 4:55 AM
> > To: evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [evola_as_he_is] De Giorgio (it was: Reghini and Pythagorism)
> > Â
> > Â
> > Â
> > Christianity destroyed for us the whole harvest of ancient
civilization, and later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of
Mohammedan civilization. The wonderful culture of the Moors in Spain, which
was fundamentally nearer to us and appealed more to our senses and tastes
than that of Rome and Greece, was trampled down (â€"I do not say by
what sort of feetâ€") Why? Because it had to thank noble and
manly instincts for its originâ€"because it said yes to life, even to the
rare and refined luxuriousness of Moorish life!… The crusaders later
made war on something before which it would have been more fitting for them
to have grovelled in the dustâ€"a civilization beside which even that of
our nineteenth century seems very poor and very
â€"senile.â€�â€"What they wanted, of course, was booty: the
orient was rich…. Let us put aside our prejudices! The crusades were a
higher form of
> piracy, nothing more! The German nobility, which is
> > fundamentally a Viking nobility, was in its element there: the church
knew only too well how the German nobility was to be won…. The German
noble, always the â€"Swiss guardâ€� of the church, always in the
service of every bad instinct of the churchâ€"but well paid….
Consider the fact that it is precisely the aid of German swords and German
blood and valour that has enabled the church to carry through its war to the
death upon everything noble on earth! At this point a host of
painful questions suggest themselves. The German nobility stands outside the
history of the higher civilization: the reason is obvious….
Christianity, alcoholâ€"the two great means of corruption….
Intrinsically there should be no more choice between Islam and Christianity
than there is between an Arab and a Jew. The decision is already reached;
nobody remains at liberty to choose here. Either a man is a
> Chandala or he is not…. â€"War to the knife with Rome!
> > Peace and friendship with Islam!�: this was the feeling, this was
the act, of that great free spirit, that genius among German emperors,
Frederick II. What! must a German first be a genius, a free spirit, before he
can feel decently? I can’t make out how a German could ever feel
Christian….
> > Â
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > But it is true that the majority of self-described 'right-wing' parties in
Europe grovel and lick Jew boots, maybe with the exception of the Hungarians who
are the only self-respecting Europeans left if political parties are any
indication (and that can definitely be disputed).
> >
>