"A dominating race can grow up only out of terrible and violent
beginnings. Problem: where are the barbarians of the twentieth
century? Obviously, they will come into view and consolidate
themselves only after tremendous socialist crises - they will be the
elements capable of the greatest severity toward themselves and able
to guarantee the most enduring will." [Nietzsche; Will to Powerm 868]
"...now there are coming
new barbarians - cynics, experimenters, conquerors - union of
spiritual superiority with well-being and an excess of strength.
...I point to something new: certainly for such a democratic type
there exists the danger of the barbarian, but one has looked for it
only in the depths. There exists also another type of barbarian, who
comes from the heights: a species of conquering and ruling natures in
search of material to mold. Prometheus was this kind of barbarian."
[ib.; 899, 900]
""Should one follow one's feelings?" - That one should put one's life
in danger, yielding to a generous feeling and under the impulse of a
moment, that is of little value and does not even characterize one.
Everyone is equally capable of that - and in this resolution, a
criminal, a bandit, and a Corsican certainly excel decent people.
A higher stage is: to overcome even this pressure within us and to
perform a heroic act not on impulse - but coldly, raisonnable,
without being overwhelmed by stormy feelings of pleasure - The same
applies to compassion: it must first be habitually sifted by reason;
otherwise it is just as dangerous as any other affect.
...Greatness of character does not consist in not possessing these
affects - on the contrary, one possesses them to the highest degree -
but in having them under control. And even that without any pleasure
in this restraint, but merely because..." [ib.; 928]
"War on the effeminate conception of "nobility"! - a quantum more of
brutality cannot be dispensed with, any more than closeness to crime.
Even "self-satisfaction" is not part of it; one should be
adventurous, experimental, destructive also toward oneself - no
beautiful-soul twaddle -." [ib.; 951]
"That one stakes one's life, one's health, one's honour, is the
consequence of high spirits and an overflowing, prodigal will: not
from love of man but because every great danger challenges our
curiosity about the degree of our strength and our courage." [ib.;
949]
"All Nietzschean Superhumans are Criminals - they are Criminals in
the Grand Style.
"All great human beings have been criminal [only in the grand and not
in the miserable style]".
[Nietzsche WP 736]
To Nietzsche, Great Crimes against Humanity held no shame;
"Crime does not sully",
[ib., 740]
On a personal level Nietzsche thought that we should "depise
ourselves" if we had not the "strength to kill a man".
[ib.,]
To be historically specific;
"In the age of the Renaissance, the criminal throve and aquired for
himself his own kind of virtue - virtue in the Renaissance style, to
be sure, VIRTU, moraline-free virtue".
[ib.,]
The nearest historical figure to a Superman that Nietzsche could cite
was none other than Machiavelli's 'ideal' Prince, Cesare Borgia;
"As Party leader Hitler took as his model Cesare Borgia ...
According to his Party comrade Otto Strasser, Hitler enjoyed telling
the story of how Cesare, having invited the heads of the leading
Roman families to a banquet in his house to celebrate their
reconciliation, ordered a band of men in black to tie them up so that
he could personally slay them one by one ",
[Wagner's Hitler, J.Koehler]"
http://www.killdevilhill.com/nietzschechat/read.php?
f=28&i=14702&t=14702
"What happens to the Noble type during the age of Nihilism, the Kali
Yuga?
The Byronic hero is one option;
"It was Byron who brought to perfection the rebel type, remote
descendant of Milton's Satan ... immediately recognisable in the
shrewd portrait of Byron outlined by Ralph Milbanke, Earl of Lovelace
in his 'Astarte', the first book to throw light on the mystery of the
life of his grandfather the poet:
" 'He had a fancy for some Oriental legends of pre-existence, and in
conversation and poetry took up the part of a fallen or exiled being,
expelled from heaven, or sentenced to a new avatar on earth for some
crime, existing under a curse, pre-doomed to a fate really fixed by
himself in his own mind, but which he seemed determined to fulfill' ".
[M.Praz, 'The Romantic Agony, Chapter II, 'The Metamorphoses of
Saten']
Referring to Byron's line in The Giaour:' A noble soul and lineage
high ', Praz writes of the Byronic "pale face furrowed by an ancient
grief", and the "Satanic smile" which indicates "the traces of
obscured nobility worthy of a better fate".
[ib.,]"
http://www.killdevilhill.com/nietzschechat/read.php?
f=28&i=15949&t=15252
--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, Savitar Devi
<savitar_devi@y...> wrote:
>
> Bersekrs are a special incident of 'barbarism' due to the
induction of an altered mind state. As has already been explained in
the earlier quote from Dumezil, the notion of 'mystic heat', frenzy,
tapas, or whatever one wishes to refer to it as is induced via a form
of primordial shamanism. This is not restricted to use in the Nordic
tradition either, as Dumezil also mentions it is found widely (under
different names) across all Indo-European traditions. Hence these
barbarians, may not be barbarians all of the time, and should not be
viewed as primitive savages. Rather a type of shamanic warrior.
>
> Would the imagery of the 'berserkr' also tie into Evola's
Doctrine of Battle and Victory?
>
>
> darklittleflame <ads694@h...> wrote:
> "The power of a new Middle Ages is needed - a revolt, interior as
> well as exterior, of a barbaric purity."
>
> Is there any ambiguity regarding the word Evola originally uses
> for 'barbaric'?
>
> I am just wondering how Evola saw this 'barbarism' as differing
from
> the "uncouth and ferocious" attitude of the semites. Also, given
> such views, can anyone elaborate on how Evola viewed such
> things as 'bersekrs'? Were these perhaps ferocious but not uncouth?
>
> Following the above quote Evola then seems to suggest that
> this 'barbarism' is a precursor necessary to clear the way for a
> true restoration of the primordial nordic tradition.
>
> "The one who enters the temple, however much of a barbarian he may
> be (is this a tone of disparagement?), has the unquestionable duty
> to drive out [the] corrupters...
>
> To all this [corruption] must be said: "Enough!", so that some men
> at least can recover the long roads, the long danger, the long
gaze,
> and the long silence ; so that the wind of the open sea can blow
> again - the wind of the Nordic primordial tradition - to reawaken
> the sleepers of the West."
>
> Given the possible tone of disparagement towards these barbarians,
> was 'barbarism' here perhaps used as an appeal and attempt to give
> an impetus to the more 'uncouth and ferocious' elements of
> the 'popular' Right wing movements of the time that would be more
> in line with Evola's attempt to restore Tradition? I do not know
> enough regarding the context of publication so would be interested
> in what others have to say.
>
>
> --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "evola_as_he_is"
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Given the regrettable indiscretion which was committed three
weeks
> > ago on another e-list and of which we got to hear, it would be
> > useless to keep it secret for a longer period of time.
> >
> > 'Heathen Imperialism' is based on 'Heidnischer Imperialismus',
and
> > not on 'Imperialismo pagano', be it only because the former is
far
> > more accomplished.
> >
> > Basically, 'Heidnischer Imperialismus' is so different
> > from 'Imperialismo pagano' that the former cannot be considered
as
> a
> > mere revised and expanded edition of the latter. Differences
> between
> > them are far too numerous and important to be identified and
given
> > via footnotes, not to mention that footnoting a book like this
> poses
> > serious problems of lay-out, which would make its reading rather
> > acrobatic, especially since both books contain their own
> footnotes.
> > All those who have published 'Imperialismo pagano', whether the
> > original or its French translation, renounced to do it.
> >
> > Speaking of footnotes, we are thinking of an original and most
> > convenient way of giving them without inserting them in the
actual
> > book.
> >
> > One more word about http://evola.frih.net : when that picture we
> > mentioned yesterday is taken and downloaded on it, the site will
> > change name and be called, as it is now,
> > http://evola_as_he_is.frih.net .
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "darklittleflame"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Given discussion in past posts are we to assume that an English
> > > translation of Heathen Imperialism will be made available at
> some
> > time?
> > > If so, will it be based on the original Italian or the German
> > version,
> > > which I understand had a number of changes made? And would such
> > > differences and their significance be identified via footnotes
> or
> > an
> > > introduction?
> > >
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