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Re: [evola_as_he_is] Re: Evola and Nietzsche

Alain Danielou links Shiva (male Tantric essence) directly with Dionysus in his work 'Gods of Love and Ecstasy'. If one reads it though, they should be aware that at times the author over-emphasises the nature of fertility aspect of both deities, possibly due to his own sexual inclinations.
 
It is most definitely no coincidence that Nietzsche picked Dionysus as the opponent of Jesus, he was contrasting the role of 'Zoe' with that of 'Bios' both Greek terms for life, but one is 'eternal' life, the other mortal. Myths of Dionysus directly tie in with the 'Eternal Return'.
 
Doesn't Evola classify Dionysus as being an emblem of an earlier lunar religion though? If seems more likely that Dionysus is the 'Black Sun' in opposition, but still of the same essence, as Apollo's 'Golden Sun'? That would be also extremely similar to Shiva's role with Vishnu, one the Preserver of Society, the other the Destroyer.
 
According to Jung though, the 'Black Sun' represents the feminine subconscious so the argument could become an 'eternal return' on its own.
 


darklittleflame <ads694@...> wrote:


As for `Dionysian naturalistic views' and possible links to Tantra,
a passage from `Twilight' is interesting in this regard, `It is only
in the Dionysian mysteries...that the fundamental fact of the
Hellenic instinct expresses itself...what did the Hellene guarantee
to himself with these mysteries? Eternal life, the eternal
recurrence of life, the triumphant Yes to life beyond death and
change...through the mysteries of sexuality...the instinct for the
eternity of life, a sacred road.' There are obviously parallels with
some Tantric sexual practices here, perhaps given credence to the
belief that such mysteries were originally imported from the East.
Evola's comments on the Traditional nature of the doctrine of the
eternal recurrence would also be applicable to Nietzsche's views on
the goal of the Dionysian mysteries as he conceived them here, i.e.
an opening to the transcendent dimension.







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The 'Independent Theosophical Association of Rome' was established in 1897 by two groups of Roman Theosophists which existed since 1895 over a lending library...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 26, 2005
8:42 pm

Did not Theosophy in general, attract many ladies due to the presence of Madame Blavatsky? There seems to be a qualitative judgement formed by women, that if...
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Dec 29, 2005
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As early as 1925 in 'L'individuo e il divenire del mondo', an implicit reference was made by Evola to Nietzsche : "The I, basically, is not a thing, a 'fact',...
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It is ultimately very Nietzschean to disagree with Nietzsche, so paradoxically it is actually a far greater credit to Nietzsche that Evola plays by providing a...
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Dec 31, 2005
9:37 am

... I read Nietzsche as emphasizing `the reality of chaos and of the irrational' not as a `ground' to replace the nihilistic otherworldly fictions of...
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11:16 pm

Alain Danielou links Shiva (male Tantric essence) directly with Dionysus in his work 'Gods of Love and Ecstasy'. If one reads it though, they should be aware...
Savitar Devi
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Jan 1, 2006
11:39 pm

At this point, it may not be a luxury to say a few words about Nietzsche's views on woman. To do this, a convenient starting point is given to us by the...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Jan 3, 2006
9:39 pm

Interesting, I was not aware of that statement in the 'Unpublished Notebooks'. Maya, is of course also a woman - at once the demon architect, and the essence...
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Jan 4, 2006
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... More, directly from his works. "Man should be trained for war and woman for the recreation of the warrior : all else is folly..." (Thus Spake Zarathustra,...
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What about this little extract? 'Will and willingness - Someone took a youth to a sage and said: "Look, he is being corrupted by women." The sage shook his...
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Jan 5, 2006
10:31 pm

One should not have a fixation about the figure of the Nietzschean 'Superman', indeed. Spengler - if we are not mistaken, it was him - rightly noted that,...
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11:09 am

That professor who coined the potent expression 'anti-Nazi sex-shop literature' to describe everything which is linked with the caricatural representation of...
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It doesn't look like Theosophy attracted many ladies due to the presence of Blavatsky. Her early followers, as you suspect, were mostly males, at least in...
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Your theory on the charity movement is interesting. I had once heard that the rise of feminism was linked with the philosophy of John Stuart Mill; however I...
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Jan 1, 2006
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The description you make of Baudelaire can be applied to thousands of other men, to hundreds of other artists, whose work, however, was not quoted in...
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Firstly, before continuing my problem with the inclusion of Baudelaire with the other writers cited, I must proclaim that I was at one, time an avid fan of...
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