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The so-called 'liaisons dangereuses' of Julius Evola   Message List  
Reply Message #476 of 1563 |
Metternich and Evola (was : The Order of the Iron Wreath)


Of course, it is. Haven't we repeatedly drawn the reader's attention
to the fact that, as much E. Mullins is always correct when it comes
to historical facts, as much the conclusions he draws from them tend
to be simplistic and exaggerated? We did it last week when we quoted
another excerpt from his 'New History of the Jews' with respect to
the question of Jews in ancient Rome.

You've pin-pointed one of the simplifications contained in his
paragraphs on the influence of the Rothschilds on Central-European
empires in the first half of the nineteen century ; they certainly
had a notable influence on their policy as early as then, but not to
the extent assumed by E. Mullins, which they reached, precisely,
after Metternich resigned his position in 1848 ; de Gobineau, who
knew very well the imperial court, including what was going on behind-
the-scenes, testifies to it in his novels. Mullins leaves aside the
fact that civil rights were still denied to Jews under the regimes of
the Metternich period, so that they could not participate in social
and economic life.

A scholar has rightly seen that "The Metternich conference had a
double theme. It focused on the progressive aspirations of German
liberalism which gradually eroded Metternich's autocratic regime,
culminating in the revolution of 1848 which forced him into exile. At
the same time it examined the efforts of the Jews of German-speaking
Europe to emerge from their enforced confinement and participate in
civil society. Historians have tended to treat these two themes
separately, but this conference explored the interconnections from a
variety of angles. A paper on the Congress of Vienna analysed
proposals for Jewish emancipation as well as constitutional reform,
suggesting that the failure of these proposals set ominous
precedents, since subsequent attempts to create a modern German state
while retaining discriminatory laws against Jews contained the seeds
of future disaster". Yet, by accepting to act as one of the principal
negotiators at that Congress, Metternich dug his own grave.

Here is another one, just as crude : "It was the first instance of
the Jewish technique of enlisting "Allied" nations to fight their
enemies for them".

It goes without saying that the one-sidedness of that kind of
exaggeration doesn't weaken in any way the relevance of the views
brought forward by Evola on the one who was called by de Poncins "le
dernier grand Européen" in the chapter of 'Revolt against the Modern
World' on 'Nationalism and Collectivism' and, later, in 'Metternich'
('Ricognizioni. Uomini e problemi', Mediterranee, 1974).



--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "brightimperator"
<brightimperator@y...> wrote:
>
> Interestingly enough, Evola repeatedly refers to the figure of
> Metternich as the last genuine European statesmen and the political
> ideal to be emulated, the same Metternich who acted as the
President of
> the purportedly `pro-judaic' Congress of Vienna. Isn't it a crude
> simplification, to say the least, to assert Rothschild
> unilaterally "ordered the European rulers to meet in Vienna"?
Perhaps a
> multiplicity of temporarily converging interests was at work in the
> Holy Alliance? Or was Evola simply obtusely wrong in this general
> matter?
>









Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:12 pm

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A few scholars have accused Evola of having had relations and compromised himself with esotericists like Crowley and de Naglowska. We tried to determine where...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 9, 2005
4:52 pm

Very interesting. It seems to me that at current in the West there is an unfortunate trend to associate Crowley as the 'beginning and end' of all things...
Savitar Devi
savitar_devi Offline Send Email
Dec 11, 2005
10:01 am

At current in the West there is definitely "an unfortunate trend to associate Crowley as the 'beginning and end' of all things esoteric" - whether to the...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 12, 2005
2:25 pm

Yes, Gardner's fondness for flagellation, amongst other related ritual incidents, seems to be quite well documented from other sources also. The question is,...
Savitar Devi
savitar_devi Offline Send Email
Dec 13, 2005
1:34 pm

Napoleon I who, as stressed a few days ago, was, with the man who led Germany from 1933 to 1945, one of the very few modern European statesmen who had a truly...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 12, 2005
4:47 pm

Napoleon I pursued the legendary Iron Crown (now in Monza), symbol of the authority of the mythical chain of the Kings of Rome, made, according to the legend,...
vandermok
charltonroad36 Offline Send Email
Dec 13, 2005
1:36 pm

Among the revolutionary leaders, a few aristocrats realised what they had done and the demonic nature of any revolution in the modern sense, when it was...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 13, 2005
3:02 pm

Interestingly enough, Evola repeatedly refers to the figure of Metternich as the last genuine European statesmen and the political ideal to be emulated, the...
brightimperator Offline Send Email Dec 14, 2005
9:59 am

Of course, it is. Haven't we repeatedly drawn the reader's attention to the fact that, as much E. Mullins is always correct when it comes to historical facts,...
evola_as_he_is Offline Send Email Dec 14, 2005
2:23 pm

Given Evola's stress on the Vira mode of operation, I would guess that it was definately intended for practice. However, intentions do not always become...
Savitar Devi
savitar_devi Offline Send Email
Dec 13, 2005
10:02 pm

Must we accept to consider Crowley as a true male? Anyway, the men looks more right for giving a rational Apollonian structure to the rites, EVEN Dionysian...
vandermok
charltonroad36 Offline Send Email
Dec 11, 2005
12:05 pm

I doubt even Crowley would have considered himself as a 'true male' so I don't see why anyone else would need to do so. vandermok <vandermok@...> wrote:...
Savitar Devi
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Dec 11, 2005
10:50 pm

In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com Savitar Devi <savitar_devi@...> ... I suspect you read male but thought macho. Anyway, if it is neither useful to...
vandermok
charltonroad36 Offline Send Email
Dec 12, 2005
4:41 pm

It seems to me that Evola considered the difference between male and female almost on a racial basis. He writes : "One should not wonder if woman is superior...
vandermok
charltonroad36 Offline Send Email
Dec 15, 2005
3:16 pm

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