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Of course, Guénon believed that a Western Tradition could only be
rebuilt within a Christian form : he thought that Christianity was
the Western tradition per se. Sheer nonsense - with all due respect.
Needless to explain why. Considering that, in one of the essays he
wrote for the review 'Ur', Reghini mocked heartily those who hold
such nonsense, it can be wondered on what basis Guénon thought that
his writings were the only ones worthy of interest in the whole work.

Because of the utter degeneracy of most European aristocratic
families, which Evola finally acknowledged fully and unequivocally in
1940 in an article about the question of interracial selections in
Germany, and in whose veins, as pointed out in a message about so-
called 'black nobility' a few months ago, not much 'blue blood' runs
any more, it is tempting to speak of 'aristocrats of the spirit'.
Yet, as you realise, that expression can be confusing and play in the
hands of the villains who, in the late XVIIIth century, started, so
to speak, to impersonate, by means, for instance, of marriages, of
marriages beneath their station, true aristocrats. In various
occasions, Evola reproaches Hitler for having criticised strongly,
mainly in 'Mein Kampf', the aristocrats of the early XIXth century.
That is why we have just said that the former finally acknowledged
fully and unequivocally the state of utter degeneracy of European
aristocracy. On this basis, the only question is whether Hitler
wanted and had the means to substitute those degenerate aristocrats
for worthy representatives of the aristocratic spirit or whether he
intended to replace them with a human type which was not up to
the 'best ones'. As far as brute violence is concerned, the Wehrmacht
was far behind the Red Army and the 'Allied'(please see in this
respect 'The Destruction of Dresde', whose author has been jailed one
month ago in Austria, after he was foolish enough to travel to that
country, in which he is persona non grata because of his writings).
History has showed that violence is often the only way for a leader
worth of the name to assert himself before he can exercise later an
action of 'presence'. Evola, who knew very well Augustus' life and
the conditions in which he rose to power, was likely to be fully
aware of this, deep down inside.

Since some of the racial writings of Evola have been published, it's
no secret that he considered that National Socialist racial views
referred to racism of the first and second degree, and, to a large
extent, he was right. The question is whether, in this day and age,
considering the physiopsychological constitution of contemporary man,
it is still possible to act on the race of the spirit without having
previously worked on the race of the body and on the race of the
soul, in most cases, that is, in the case of the average man.


--- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "darklittleflame"
<ads694@h...> wrote:
>
> Regarding Hitler's comments on 'neo-pagans':
> Guenon's comments in the second chapter of `crisis' also emphasise
> similar concerns. `There are [those] who wish to attach themselves
> to Celtism...But where can one find `Celtism' today in a pure state
> and with sufficient vitality to be able to serve as a basis? …We do
> not deny that a certain Celtic spirit has survived and can still
> manifest itself under various forms...but when anyone tells us that
> there still exist spiritual centers where the Druid tradition is
> preserved in its entirety, we require them to show proof, and until
> they do so we consider it very doubtful, if not altogether
> incredible.
>
> Guenon believed that a Western Tradition could only be rebuilt
> within a Christian form (given the recent posts referring to Hitler
> and the restoration of a pre-Christian cult I am interested in what
> others make of Guenon's beliefs in this regard) and such
> resusicitation could only happen through a Western elite having
> contact with `the living spirit of Tradition' that he saw present
in
> the East.
>
> Contact with a living center can act as a catalyst, but as Guenon
> states such contact would not be sufficient in and of itself. Only
> an elite are capable of bringing restoration to the West. It is
only
> those who have an innate disposition to seek out, recognise and
> instantiate the living spirit of Tradition. As Nietzsche
> wrote, `spirit alone does not make noble; rather, there must be
> something to ennoble the spirit. What then is required? Blood' WP
> 942.
>
> In the same passage Nietzsche also makes it clear that when
speaking
> of the nobility of birth and blood he does not mean `the little
> word "von" or of the Almanach de Gotha: parenthesis for asses. When
> one speaks of "aristocrats of the spirit," reasons are usually not
> lacking for concealing something; as is well known, it is a
favorite
> term among ambitious Jews.'
>
> Despite Hitler's, no doubt, firmly held convinction in his
professed
> aims and goals can National Socialism be subject to Nietzsche's
> above criticism of being ultimately a concealment of more profane,
> and perhaps 'anaemic' ambitions, even if unconscious? Can Hitler be
> seen as embodying what Evola, when speaking of Traditional
spiritual
> action, referred to as `the `Olympian' attribute of true
> spirituality and true sovereignty and [a] direct way of asserting
> themselves, not through violence, but through presence' or was he
> merely employing demagoguery, messianism and the use of brute force
> to achieve mere profane goals of status, wealth and power etc?
> Others here are obviously well learned in such subjects so I would
> be interested to hear their views, or how Evola interpreted, what
> appears to be, mere appeals to natural rather than transcendent
> values.
>
> And, of course, does Nietzsche too also fall prey to such
criticism?
> I would hold Nietzsche's nobility well above that of Hitler.
> However, his proclamation of it, notably in `ecce homo,' is often
> furnished with such hyperbole to suggest tones of messianic
> demagoguery. Is this just so readers will come to believe that he
is
> indeed a world historical event, last prophet of Dionysus, the
> Antichrist and thereby furnish him with the recognition he must
have
> felt that was rightly his and unjustly with-held? However, unlike
> Hitler, Nietzsche knew that he could not `confound [him]self with
> those for whom there are ears listening today.' And that despite
all
> his claims for world historical status `there is nothing in
> [Nietzsche] of a founder of a religion – religion are affairs of
the
> rabble...I never speak to masses.'
>
> Also, referring back to Nietzsche's comments on blood, he also
> considers his professed nobility (with the hyperbole noted above)
as
> a `monstrous atavism. One would have to go back centuries to find
> this noblest of races that the earth has ever possessed in so
> instinctively pristine a degree as [Nietzsche] presents it...One is
> least related to one's parents...Higher natures have their origins
> infinitely farther back...Julius Caesar could be my father – or
> Alexander, this Dionysos incarnate.'
>
> Leaving aside the question of how far Nietzsche can actually be
seen
> to have embodied such grand ideals I am wondering if there is
> resonance here with Evola's view that `race lives in blood, or
> rather deeper than in blood, in a depth where individual life
> communicates with a life more than individual, not to be
understood,
> however, in a naturalistic way, as `life of the species,' but as an
> order in which spiritual forces are at work.' Also, how far to
> National Socialist racial views go in this regard or do they only
> refer to racism of the first and second degree?
>
> --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "evola_as_he_is"
> <evola_as_he_is@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > That excerpt from 'Mein Kampf' sums up the whole thing. It does.
> It
> > stands as a perfect counterpart to 'The Misunderstanding of Neo-
> > Paganism', a text which, especially in its second version, that
> which
> > constitutes a chapter of 'Sintesi di dottrina della razza',
raises
> > the question of the possibility of restoring pre-Christian
> European
> > cult in practice.
> >
> > Theoretically, one thing is for sure, Neo-Pagans put the cart
> before
> > the horse : the rites which were peculiar to those cults were
> > indissociable from the specific spirit in which they originated
> and
> > were rooted. What matters is not to perform those rites, but to
> > regain that spirit, failing which they are an empty shell and
lead
> > nowhere. On that basis, a man who lives according to the
> principles
> > on which the ancient pre-Christian cults were based, and only
him,
> > can be legitimately considered as a 'neo-Pagan', or, as we'd
> rather
> > say, a 'neo-Heathen' ; so long as that spirit is still embodied
by
> > differentiated men, the possibility of a 'heathen Imperialism'
> still
> > exists, theoretically.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In evola_as_he_is@yahoogroups.com, "darkiexx"
> <tristanarpe@h...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Without lambasting the Nordic Paganism or any other re-
> > > constructionist belief system. It is only correct to put it
into
> > the
> > > context of the particular thoughts of the leader of the NSDAP
> > > (assuming these were his thoughts). I believe heartedly that
all
> > > other derivations would be treated with similar disdain.
> > >
> > > Here, I quote also from his text (please remember that it is
> > > difficult, to do justice, to any thinking by just lifting
> > > paraphrases from a book).
> > >
> > > MEIN KAMPF. Adolf Hitler (1889-1945). Chapter X
> > >
> > > It is typical of such persons that they rant about ancient
> Teutonic
> > > heroes of the dim and distant ages, stone axes, battle spears
and
> > > shields, whereas in reality they themselves are the woefullest
> > > poltroons imaginable. For those very same people who brandish
> > > Teutonic tin swords that have been fashioned carefully
according
> to
> > > ancient models and wear padded bear-skins, with the horns of
> oxen
> > > mounted over their bearded faces, proclaim that all
contemporary
> > > conflicts must be decided by the weapons of the mind alone. And
> > thus
> > > they skedaddle when the first communist cudgel appears.
> Posterity
> > > will have little occasion to write a new epic on these heroic
> > > gladiators.
> > > […]
> > > I have seen too much of that kind of people not to feel a
> profound
> > > contempt for their miserable play-acting. To the masses of the
> > nation
> > > they are just an object of ridicule; but the Jew finds it to
his
> own
> > > interest to treat these folk-lore comedians with respect and to
> > > prefer them to real men who are fighting to establish a German
> > > State. And yet these comedians are extremely proud of
> themselves.
> > > […]
> > > Among those people there were some whose conduct can be
> explained by
> > > their innate stupidity and incompetence; but there are others
> who
> > > have a definite ulterior purpose in view. Often it is difficult
> to
> > > distinguish between the two classes. The impression which I
> often
> > > get, especially of those so-called religious reformers whose
> creed
> > > is grounded on ancient Germanic customs, is that they are the
> > > missionaries and protégés of those forces which do not wish to
> see
> > a
> > > national revival taking place in Germany.
> > > […]
> > > It was not without good reason that when we laid down a clearly
> > > defined programme for the new movement we excluded the word
> > VÖLKISCH
> > > from it.The concept underlying the term VÖLKISCH cannot serve
as
> > the
> > > basis of a movement, because it is too indefinite and general
in
> > its
> > > application. Therefore, if somebody called himself VÖLKISCH
such
> a
> > > designation could not be taken as the hall-mark of some
> definite,
> > > party affiliation.
> > >
> > > ==============================================================
> > > Poltroon: a spiritless coward
> > >
> >
>










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