Saturn traditionally in Pagan culture was not only a malefic planet as it is observed today. In the new age community, Saturn became synonymous to death cults, destruction and death, all of which are ruled by Saturn, but esoterically, Saturn is not only that. However, the fact that something is related to these things does not make it necessarily evil, but in proportion to ourselves, for the most part. One example here is that in nature, death and decompossition, ruled by Saturn, is also essential to health and wellbeing. To elimitate that which is unhealthy or no longer necessary for example. Astrologically, Saturn is "malefic", but there is a perception that is key here. If someone is responsible, and handles well the notion of natural necessity and responsibility, Saturn will not always outright punish people. This also depends on the placement of Saturn in your own natal chart. Saturn is the also the reaping of goods. Of course, when you reap the field and you plant things, the only thing you think of is "my back hurts", "why do I need to do this" and you curse the heavens for this fate you have been given. Saturn also rules overwork, but also, careful planning, and it can also act as protection, albeit in weird fashions which are not necessarily pleasant to humanity. How did any good reaping come into this world? By great Sowing. This is why Saturnus traditionally holds the Diamond Sickle. Diamond is a spiritual term, and also, is a sign of indestructibility. Saturn we can offset, but it will always be hardwired to our "existence" as entropy and decomposition are natural and they will always exist. We can escape or distance ourselves from them, however. Generally since many people are fallen on a low spiritual level, and since Saturn's energy is that of necessity, and people are generally inclined to disrespect to nature and lying to themselves very hard about life, Saturn comes with the diamond sickle and can cut someone's head off. Many people grow through Saturn transits and become stronger, while a properly handled Saturn can even empower a person, and show you strength in overcoming obstacles in life. In the new age there have been a lot of things said about Saturn while some authors like xians have purely demonized Saturn and tried to create a meme that it is the source of all evil. Saturn would not be a problem to us if we were more spiritually aware. Many of these books also attack Saturn with virulence, saying that Saturn is "Satan" and therefore the womb of all evil. This is extended further in the statements that aliens are using Saturn (which is probable) but what is key here is that WE have sunk on this level of Saturn, not the other way around. Saturn also has been associated with Kingship as Saturn rules the immovable and the firmly founded, like the base chakra. But also restrain, imprisonment, full stagnation, and death. For this reason, we can and should take in consideration a limited amount of this energy. As a last note (I will write more on this on a part two explaining the enemy's use of Saturn as well) we have to understand that Jupiter, however helpful, and however fun and benefic, can also cause disasters. A typical disaster here is for example growth of getting fat, or an inflation of confidence to the point of total ignorance. Saturn, on the other hand, requires you actually do something to gain something, and shows you an extreme amount of functionality and experience. These planets work in conjunction naturally, and one is not morally bad from the other. If I recall correctly, Shani (Saturn) is still culturally considered by the Hindus as a cold judge of deeds, a figure of cause-effect who has constantly your eyes on you, and as he can destroy you for your lack of spiritual practices (deeds), he can aswell bless you and solidify your progress, if you follow the path (Shani-Iswara, I remember Mageson said the Iswara relates to the column, but in this sense, the path of the Sanatana Dharma). Top Recently I was looking at and comparing natal charts for astrology practice and Saturn was popping out from someone who was close to me, so I kinda got worried for them but this explanation does clear up some confusion I had in regards to Saturn and its energies by it not being all that bad Thanks HP ^^ -Hail Satan! -Hail all the Gods and Goddesses of Hell! -"A sword wields no strength unless the hand that holds it has courage" -A video game Top Recently I was looking at and comparing natal charts for astrology practice and Saturn was popping out from someone who was close to me, so I kinda got worried for them but this explanation does clear up some confusion I had in regards to Saturn and its energies by it not being all that bad I am looking forward to Performing The Final RTR, Wisdom! The actual Serpent is Free RTR worked today! Satan spread his wings to fly up there To Destroy! He landed up there causing Trembling in every direction! I am so excited to continuing the RTR's Daily! I have been working on Strengthening and Shape Shifting The Pineal Gland for Psychic Communication with Satan! Hail Satan! (Please be patient with Me as I am very busy) Good post, glad to see someone else thinks as I do. Some people, maybe as a holdover from xianity, seem to exchange the xian idea of a "devil" for Saturn and project everything they don't like about their lives or the world onto it, while neglecting the facts of the matter that Saturn is necessary and beneficial, when in balance. No respect or understanding for what this planet represents, or its relation to the others. Saturn is agrarian, you reap what you sow. It keeps you accountable. If you piss away your time & energy on investments that will only drain you and bear no fruit, then you're not gonna like it when Saturn calls in your debts. Likewise, taking care of your responsibilities and investing in worthwhile things will reward you amply, if you're willing to work for it. People avoid discomfort when oftentimes, it's the very thing that causes you discomfort that will give you the most growth. I think there was a page written somewhere on the JOS about the charts of serial killers and psychopaths, whose saturns were severely debilitated and lacking influence which caused the energies of the other planets to run out of control. oh saturn. be of easy approach to us. even as a father to his son. hail satan How would someone completely get rid of negative aspects of Saturn and only bring positive ones like worry and shyness etc Good sermon. That makes me feel better as I felt doom and gloom sometimes awhile back. I mentioned awhile back that Saturn can be positive. I will note I tend to get along with people that have a strong Capricorn signature in their chart even if I am not fully like them and I notice some similar traits sometimes. When I looked at charts of people I met this showed up several times. I think Saturn can help you build things and organize feel grounded and stability like you said but it can also make you worry about things to much or be too shy and deep etc. The description of my Saturn placement more played out earlier in my life than today. Once I started meditation I noticed Saturn bought positive things for the most part. If you focus on and heaven forbid for some people actually use the Saturn mantra or working for something then you can maybe build up material power to a great extent if you pull it off right that's what i think in my mind from what I have read but I haven't tried it yet nor do I know if I would recommend it or do it How would someone completely get rid of negative aspects of Saturn and only bring positive ones like worry and shyness etc Good sermon. That makes me feel better as I felt doom and gloom sometimes awhile back. I mentioned awhile back that Saturn can be positive. I will note I tend to get along with people that have a strong Capricorn signature in their chart even if I am not fully like them and I notice some similar traits sometimes. When I looked at charts of people I met this showed up several times. I think Saturn can help you build things and organize feel grounded and stability like you said but it can also make you worry about things to much or be too shy and deep etc. The description of my Saturn placement more played out earlier in my life than today. Once I started meditation I noticed Saturn bought positive things for the most part. If you focus on and heaven forbid for some people actually use the Saturn mantra or working for something then you can maybe build up material power to a great extent if you pull it off right that's what i think in my mind from what I have read but I haven't tried it yet nor do I know if I would recommend it or do it Please do not post or avoid posting about your personal, let alone, dangerous transits. I had to remove this for your safety. Thank you for this writing! I also wanted to post about it but lately I have no time... Saturn is indeed a "malefic" planet naturally but it does not mean that it is only bad. In vedic astrology Saturn can be a functional benefic planet (called yogakaraka) for the Vrishabha (Taurus) and for the Thula (Libra) ascendant people for example. But there is much more about Saturn... Is this the reason the saturn square got erased from the SS Calendar? (People who want to do it have to put extra effort into learning astrology, so they are less likely to experience bad things with it) THX for the sermon HP. Hoodedcobra666. Personal expierence with doing and gaining with or without saturn energy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I personally had made the experience Isa (rune) , Shaniswara (planetary mantra saturn base chakra) , Silver energy (rong done grey energy) for 3rd eye was fine until i have read it could harm you if you use it rong. I started to doubt, this made it backfire. But after i convinced my self if i use the affirmation in a positive and healthy way, I should be fine (Shanisvara). Isa was just training, for 3rd eye i rather use blue energy. I also tryed saturn square once but failed at day 4 ( i did the other days right, i heared it helps a little compared to perfect done). During saturn square I was more easier annoyed. nothing besides this happend. (As far as i know i donīt have a bad saturn placement in my chart). I did it for more concentration/fokus. This sermon addresses what most people here need to know.Saturnian transits,as most tend to believe are not all negative simply because,they force us to open up our eyes and see the reality for what it is.if we work to set our shit inorder,then,everythin' works out well but ignorin what Saturn points out for us to work on,then we are sure to have our butt kicked. Hail Satan! FATHER SATAN IS THE GPS ON THE ROAD TO REDEMPTION OF MY SOUL!! This sermon, and the other replies, is an absolute fucking belter of an example, it definitely is. In my return thread which I made recently I said that I intend to make another thread about a very shit thing which had happened with me...and Saturnine energies have been a bastard in it. There are coincidences which are merely same-old/same-old things which make me go "Meh" now because I've become quite blasé with them...then there are coincidences which... They are not merely coincidences. This sermon is so definitely absolutely more than a mere "coincidence". Fuck me sideways... It can be a steep and difficult learning curve...but seeing particular power numbers often at specific times, has now become a bit "Meh" for me. I might call this one, with this sermon on Saturn and its following replies, a pro-incidence. Fuck. For me it took a lot to leave coincidences and reach or arrive at this 'pro-incidence'. As has been mentioned before, I think that I, too, am starting to believe or realise that "coincidences" don't happen, that they can be understood more profoundly than something just happening to happen without an explanation. No offence to anyone, but I am starting to realise that calling things a coincidence is ignorant. Don't be offended by me saying that - you can learn and understand things so as not to be ignorant, and the term "coincidence" is understood. Thanks. If ever I needed a "Hello?! Obvious pro-incidence is fucking obvious! SLAP! Wake the fuck up, Fancy, you...twat!", then this is it. Also - if I'm not mistaken, then of course. The term "knocked for six" comes into this, from Saturn. occultumlapidem wrote: oh saturn. be of easy approach to us. even as a father to his son. Aaaargh. Saturn be a harsh Mistress. I think I know Saturn's motto - spare the rod, spoil the child. :cry: Sometimes - often, in fact - people need a kick up the bum. I know how Saturn had been affecting me, but I am wondering now how Saturn is an influence, in some other ways, in my Natal chart as per my Emotionals thread and I suppose my general demeanour on here. I can neither confirm nor deny what members have guessed at regarding me in that thread, but it is interesting. "Coincidences do happen." So do ignorances. Thinking about it, from media and things with people brushing things off as mere 'coincidence' - that is said/done to keep people ignorant; those of us who are 'Conspiracy Theorists' delve deeply, and the ignorant sheeple mock us in their idiotic ignorance, like an airhead who laughs everything off that they can't explain. This thread is not a mere 'coincidence' for me. Thanks. Your special, uncomfortable, sensitive topics - ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1789 As somebody born with a very prominent Saturn I can definitely confirm that it is one hell of an ass-kicker and a sledge hammer to the teeth; absolute worst form of 'tough love' you can ask for. But I can definitely also confirm that I have become an incredibly strong individual both mentally and spiritually as a result. A lot of us who were born around the time Saturn had a strong influence had very difficult and crushing pasts, lives that really tested our will for survival and I have noticed that 99% of us make it out alive thanks to Saturn's endurance, but not unscathed. The planet will give you a shit ton of hangups to work out once you make it to the other side and freeing our souls is a lot harder and takes way longer than others, but honestly the resulting strength of will and all the benefits you reap once you get past the worst of it is so unbelievably worth it. Now that I've found myself out of, practically the 'torture chamber', I wouldn't change anything to be any different. I have gained so many benefits from standing the tests of Saturn, and I wouldn't take them back. Saturn will definitely churn out the toughest of warriors. "Delight in what you create, and delight in what you destroy." - Satan I once read that it is the moon that gives this energy and that's why emotionally unstable people are called lunatic. I also read that the moon is inhabited by human hybrids that see astral projections and remote viewers. Saturn, on the other hand, requires you actually do something to gain something, and shows you an extreme amount of functionality and experience. Is this the reason the saturn square got erased from the SS Calendar? (People who want to do it have to put extra effort into learning astrology, so they are less likely to experience bad things with it) THX for the sermon HP. Hoodedcobra666. Personal expierence with doing and gaining with or without saturn energy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I personally had made the experience Isa (rune) , Shaniswara (planetary mantra saturn base chakra) , Silver energy (rong done grey energy) for 3rd eye was fine until i have read it could harm you if you use it rong. I started to doubt, this made it backfire. But after i convinced my self if i use the affirmation in a positive and healthy way, I should be fine (Shanisvara). Isa was just training, for 3rd eye i rather use blue energy. I also tryed saturn square once but failed at day 4 ( i did the other days right, i heared it helps a little compared to perfect done). During saturn square I was more easier annoyed. nothing besides this happend. (As far as i know i donīt have a bad saturn placement in my chart). I did it for more concentration/fokus. The Saturn square is not a necessary part for your development. You can ground yourself in other ways. Most people do not fare well with Saturn because it's very difficult to handle, closely impossible. The Square has had mixed manifestations for people depending on their own Saturn and general disposition, and there is a warning issued on it as well. I once read that it is the moon that gives this energy and that's why emotionally unstable people are called lunatic. I also read that the moon is inhabited by human hybrids that see astral projections and remote viewers. It's not the moons fault, I reassure you of that. How would someone completely get rid of negative aspects of Saturn and only bring positive ones like worry and shyness etc Good sermon. That makes me feel better as I felt doom and gloom sometimes awhile back. I mentioned awhile back that Saturn can be positive. I will note I tend to get along with people that have a strong Capricorn signature in their chart even if I am not fully like them and I notice some similar traits sometimes. When I looked at charts of people I met this showed up several times. I think Saturn can help you build things and organize feel grounded and stability like you said but it can also make you worry about things to much or be too shy and deep etc. The description of my Saturn placement more played out earlier in my life than today. Once I started meditation I noticed Saturn bought positive things for the most part. If you focus on and heaven forbid for some people actually use the Saturn mantra or working for something then you can maybe build up material power to a great extent if you pull it off right that's what i think in my mind from what I have read but I haven't tried it yet nor do I know if I would recommend it or do it Please do not post or avoid posting about your personal, let alone, dangerous transits. I had to remove this for your safety. I will explain and further some points on the part 2, which I think you will find helpful. Ok I for sure wont reveal anymore information like that again. I will report another post from awhile back. that I revealed too much info on in my thoughts. I will be much more careful in the future I was under the now I realize mistaken feeling that if I didnt say degrees sign and houses toghether that I would be ok. Thank you for looking out for me I think I will refrain from posting stuff about my astrology as I tend to not think and be impulsive sometimes although I have studied astrology (at least 8 or 9 years reading about stuff) I have a little to learn and want to practice on someone sometime but I think I'll do that on my own time with someone offline. I honestly dont want to be cursed. I just wanted to give my experience and tell why I know a lot about Saturns energy but that was dumb. In fact I need to learn to keep my mouth shut more anyways on many things in the offline world. So far I am ok and not threatened or anything but I have come very close to revealing too much about what I believe a few times and did catch myself